Shen rework is bad

Meserion··3 votes·2,923 views

I'm going to try to summarize for the people who don't have the patience, or they have a lot of posts to go through (Like Riot Board admins):

Aside from the fact his shield now scales with max HP, New Shen is worse than old Shen. It would be better if you reverted the rework but kept the HP scaling on his shield effect. ALSO HE IS NO LONGER A NINJA, THANKS RIOT.

Sorry in advance, the post may get a bit messy :I

Now if you're still interested, I'm going to pick apart his new kit and compare to his old kit and explain my reasoning behind why old Shen is superior to new Shen. They mentioned in the champion update on Shen Champion Update: Shen) that his gameplay consisted of spamming Q after you taunted because of the short cooldown. Ironically, with the rework that is still all you do, but you have a fraction of your old durability and none of the sustain.

His Old Q: Vorpal Blade: Throw blade at enemy doing magic damage (scales off AP) and marking for a few seconds. Striking marked target heals Shen and his allies for an amount over a few seconds.

This ability actually gives Shen and his teammates good sustain, this is one of the big reasons support Shen used to be really good.

His New Q: Twlight Assault: A floating sword appears the map and is linked to Shen for some obscene ranges. Activating his Q makes the sword fly towards and activating his passive (we'll get there) and empowering next 3 autos doing % of target's max hp. Effect empowered if sword intersects with enemy target.

This ability belongs on a bruiser or a juggernaut, not a tank. It provides no defensive options, only pure offense. It scales off AP which is really strange since according to their update page no one plays AP, so what the heck? Even when get the buff this ability feels clunky as hell, and I feel vulnerable the whole time. His old Q atleast healed me, this does damage, not that much better; It is also a major pain the arse to aim this thing because the sword cannot moved unless you activate it. Also cooldown is too long, I spend so much auto'ing and twiddling my thumbs waiting for cooldowns.

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His Old W: Feint: Shield Shen for damage (scales off AP) for few seconds and reduce the cooldown of his passive when struck.

This ability was bad, but if you stacked AP it was kinda OP when you had a low cooldown shield that blocked like 400 points of damage. Yes I've tried AP on him prior to update, and the only reason its not played is because so many assume him a tank, even though he does enough damage as an AP.

His New W: Spirit's Refuge: Creates a "dodge zone" around his floating sword that allows Shen and his allies to dodge attacks while in it.

This is actually really good, great defensive option that has a lot of potential uses. It is kind of spoiled by the fact the zone is tied to the god awful clunky sword mechanic; IT IS NEVER IN THE RIGHT SPOT. Otherwise I'd say this would be good if it appeared around Shen instead.

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His E hasn't changed much but it is a downgrade because the old E used to reduce the damage Shen took from taunted targets, and the new does not. Also having it scale with HP seems to make sense, but I'd warn you that the base damage might get severely nerfed because it is already scaling off his health at level 1. Yes prior to change this ability could hit like truck if you got AP items like item 3116 and item 3151.

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Ult is the same :P. I will say this, why do you bother putting an AP ratio on a skill if you assume that the champion will never stack AP? It seems a bit idiotic.

I'm going talk about his passive now:

The old passive periodically empowered his next melee attack and it scaled off his max health; It was called Ki Strike. I liked this because the animation looked great and it worked with his kit.

The new one is his old feint basically only it scales with max HP now. Its ok I guess, but it is basically Vi 's passive. I'd rather they keep his Ki Strike passive and instead combine his new passive with his new W and say give Shen a shield if he hits an ally with his W immediately.

7 Comments

Paroe2 votes

You seem to be forgetting the entire purpose of the rework. It wasnt to fix shens odd problems (due to his light AP scaling and hypertank status).

It was to change shen from a tank in general into a Fighter. This shen is NOT a tank by any means; the armor nerfs prove it. He is, by all rights and intentions, a hybrid fighter.

masterninjaa2 votes

a hybrid fighter that

  1. gets bullied by other top laners easily
  2. dosent have that good of damage(compared to other top laners and junglers) 3)still wants to be a split pusher without a good split pushing abilities

i could go on but i just cant play this new shen. i mained old shen and no matter how i build or play him he just doesn't do well with his current kit. it just feels like he wants to be 2 things but fails at both

Quepha1 votes

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a hybrid fighter that

  1. gets bullied by other top laners easily
  2. dosent have that good of damage(compared to other top laners and junglers) 3)still wants to be a split pusher without a good split pushing abilities

i could go on but i just cant play this new shen. i mained old shen and no matter how i build or play him he just doesn't do well with his current kit. it just feels like he wants to be 2 things but fails at both

What are you talking about? Shen has some of the best trades of any top laner in the game and his ult still makes him a great split pusher. His Q now is better for split pushing than his old Q even if he still really needs to build an item to help his waveclear.

Dreadlocks1 votes

His new E may not give dmg reduc to those he taunts.. but he can literally dodge every auto with W instead.. And if you choose not to use your W with your E, you still get a bigger shield than you would with his old W. (unless ofc you are going AP which is a pretty weak argument all together)

Meserion2 votes

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His new E may not give dmg reduc to those he taunts.. but he can literally dodge every auto with W instead.. And if you choose not to use your W with your E, you still get a bigger shield than you would with his old W. (unless ofc you are going AP which is a pretty weak argument all together)

BUT HES NO LONGER A NINJA! The buff is gone, therefore he is no longer a ninja....

Yes the shield is better, but it naturally scales with health so of course it is better. If you look at the base values of the shield and you compare it to the old feint, its way lower. Also his cooldowns are too long, he has 400 energy and it is literally impossible to run out.

Dreadlocks1 votes

In team fights spamming your shit you can more certainly run out... especially if you are running away with very little health and you desperately need a shield to keep you alive.

Base value on shield or not, its still better, the reason is pretty simple, he needs to utilize his shield when he goes up to CS otherwise he can get poked out of lane very easily. (not that he cant already) He has some strong match ups, and some weak match ups... Not saying Shen doesn't need buffs, they just released him live, but theres nothing a few number tweaks cant fix w.his update.

xMrNoIDx1 votes

Is there anyone created a Poll, to Revert the Changes done to Shen? i'd prefer to play the Pre-Rework Champion, aswell to see the Pre rework Ingame Modell please.

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