I think we all know who the best assassin will be after the Update

THE RlVER KlNG··50 votes·3,922 views

Annie

EDIT: Diana Vayne JarvanIV MonkeyKing will probably be putting in some work as well

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Big Lincoln21 votes

Bard

warpenguin55514 votes

What about JarvanIV?

THE RlVER KlNG5 votes

Yeah J4 full ad is next level oneshotting

Pierce The Veal2 votes

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What about JarvanIV?

I see your full AD jarvan and I raise you Full AD Vi

WarlockLaw5 votes

I see your full ad Vi and raise you full AD Thresh

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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I see your full ad Vi and raise you full AD Thresh

I see your full AD thresh and I raise you Full AP Varus

Sulghunter2 votes

Sona item 3285 item 3027 item 3116 item 3048 item 3100 item 3020

BakedLotion5 votes

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Sona item 3285 item 3027 item 3116 item 3048 item 3100 item 3020

why would you ever build roa and rylais on full ap sona you dont need survivability if you oneshot them :^) item 3165 item 3100 item 3089 item 3135 item 3020 item 3285

Sulghunter1 votes

more for the mana then anything else, cause I want to have enough mana for more than just one team fight.

Bodkins Odds2 votes

That's what the Morello is for. Kills = mana.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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Sona item 3285 item 3027 item 3116 item 3048 item 3100 item 3020

I've got nothing that can fight this.

Except perhaps full AP amumu, taking care to rush a tear.

resumed7 votes

catch me dealing 1500 damage with 1 auto Thresh item 3147 item 3094 item 3508 item 3031

"One shot... One kill..." - Thresh (probably)

WarlockLaw1 votes

item 3087 is better because the passive can crit, and your hook outranges the RFC range

Arakadia1 votes

What do you mean hook outranges the RFC range?

resumed4 votes

if thresh uses his hook to engage and dashes or simply walks into the range of the target then he wont need to use the rfc range

however practically rfc would be superior to shiv as they can't retaliate with the added range of rfc

the damage part is true though

LuunaLily1 votes

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catch me dealing 1500 damage with 1 auto Thresh item 3147 item 3094 item 3508 item 3031

"One shot... One kill..." - Thresh (probably)

Once the new update comes out Thresh item 3031 item 3508 item 3094 item 3147 item 3001

Since the 10% increased magic dmg will probably apply to his flay passive [total souls + 200% total AD] in magic dmg [slayer-jinx-wink]

LankPants11 votes

Pretty sure MonkeyKing will be up there

Kingdom Corn10 votes

Vayne

Handy Sandy 9 votes

Diana op

Pierce The Veal6 votes

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Diana op

Shhhhhhh don't want too many people to realize.

Handy Sandy 14 votes

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Shhhhhhh don't want too many people to realize.

FINALLY! someone else realises how strong Diana really is and how hard she is to counter post 6 XD

Saianna2 votes

Diana is like legit-build tank-akali.

And somehow Riot is totally fine with it. Meh

Varnoc6 votes

Diana was designed as a Fighter (Diver, to be more specific) IIRC. This is somewhat evidenced by her Moonfall (E) ability, the "vacuum", you'll notice that none of the "true" assassins have any abilities rivaling it in terms of CC potential.

As for why her assassin build has been allowed to exist for so long now, I don't really have a concrete answer, but If it had to guess, it's because she gives up quite a bit of durability to go assassin, or quite a bit of damage to go tanky, and there's no highly effective middle ground that abuses both facets of the character.

I could be wrong about this, and I probably am, but that's my opinion on the subject, not that you asked :^)

bad arcade kitty2 votes

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Diana was designed as a Fighter (Diver, to be more specific) IIRC. This is somewhat evidenced by her Moonfall (E) ability, the "vacuum", you'll notice that none of the "true" assassins have any abilities rivaling it in terms of CC potential.

As for why her assassin build has been allowed to exist for so long now, I don't really have a concrete answer, but If it had to guess, it's because she gives up quite a bit of durability to go assassin, or quite a bit of damage to go tanky, and there's no highly effective middle ground that abuses both facets of the character.

I could be wrong about this, and I probably am, but that's my opinion on the subject, not that you asked :^)

iirc fighters didn't exist when she was designed she was considered an assassin

also im mad we still have no moon pony princess luna diana skin and generally no good skins for her

Varnoc1 votes

Fighter subclasses (Juggernauts and Divers) were indeed undefined at the time, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't design her as a Diver just because they didn't have the label nailed down yet.

Jumping to the present, here are Riot's definitions of each class

Divers:

Divers are the more mobile portion of the Fighter class. Divers excel at singling out high-priority targets to blitz toward, immediately forcing those targets (and their teammates) to deal with the diver’s presence. Divers are not as durable as the tanks or juggernauts of the world, but Divers can take their fair share of punishment while bringing enough damage to be a real kill threat if left unchecked.

Assassins:

Assassins specialize in infiltrating enemy lines with their unrivaled mobility to quickly dispatch high-priority targets. Due to their mostly melee nature, Assassins must put them themselves into dangerous positions in order to execute their targets. Luckily, they often have** defensive tricks up their sleeves that, if used cleverly, allow them to effectively avoid incoming damage.**

Based on these definitions, Diana seems to fall more into the former than the latter. Her defensive tool in particular, her shield, pushes her towards a Diver's role than an Assassin, simply due to the way it scales in effectiveness. There is an argument to be had for it allowing Diana to "effectively avoid incoming damage", but it's in no way similar to other assassins; Akali's shroud, Fizz's Troll Pole, Kat's Shunpo, Zed's Shadow swapping; all of these tools have a high level of nuance to them, letting you outplay your opponents by avoiding their skills with masterful play, and Diana's shield doesn't really have that. It's ideal use is being activated as you dive your target for guaranteed proccing of the secondary spheres for both the damage, and the increased shield strength.

All this isn't to say that she's not played as an Assassin currently though, or that it's not her most effective play-style. Simply that by examining her abilities and the definitions Riot has provided for their classes, that Diana appears to fall more into the role of Diver than Assassin, even if the terms didn't exists back when she was developed.

The lack of any really impressive skin bothers me as well, though I am rather fond of her base skin anyway.

Saianna1 votes

I know she was supposed to be a assassin-type diver.

But cause of itemization she became a juggernaut'ish bruiser.

With tank-like utility

And assassin like damage


I'm not saying she is broken, okay? Got that? All I am saying she has too much of everything in her kit. Especially tankiness & burst damage. This combination makes her pain in ass to deal with.

Varnoc1 votes

I'm not saying she is broken, okay? Got that?

Uh, yea? You never really implied that she was broken. Not sure why this is so hostile.

All I am saying she has too much of everything in her kit. Especially tankiness & burst damage.

I'd agree with this, If anything is to be done, I'd imagine that her damage will become less burst oriented and more drawn out, even though that'll tick off people that enjoy playing her as an Assassin.

I think that they may be putting her off until the Diver update, where they can do some systematic changes instead of number just tweaks.

Saianna1 votes

I wasn't hostile.. didn't even try to sound like that.. Uh.. Sorry...

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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FINALLY! someone else realises how strong Diana really is and how hard she is to counter post 6 XD

New season she's gonna be broken with the new resolve keystone+ her E.

Vistha Kai6 votes

>Assuming Annie wasn't the best assassin before.

YouCantClickThis3 votes

Veigar

Epicanian2 votes

Maokai

Spoofghoul1 votes

yes i can tell from experience that full ap maokai can do disgusting amounts of damage

Bodkins Odds1 votes

And with a Catalyst he can't die either. <_<

Cabruh2 votes

You mean Blitzcrank

Just Blame Jenny2 votes

Quinn

WiegrafOfValor2 votes

NO JOKES, TOP 3 PRESEASON ASSASSINS:

  1. Vayne item 3147 item 3031

  2. Rengar item 3147 item 3031

  3. Darius + NEW FERVOR + item 3111 item 3143 item 3065 item 3742 item 3022 item 3053

The Yetii Rider2 votes

Came into the thread expecting Tahm Kench. Disappointed.

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

Add me and I will show you the glory of mid lane full AP Tahm.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

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Add me and I will show you the glory of mid lane full AP Tahm.

See now THAT sounds like a top tier assassin. Them Abyssal Voyage roams.

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

Alright let's do it. I'll add you but only if you go full AP Nunu jungle.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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Alright let's do it. I'll add you but only if you go full AP Nunu jungle.

Oh man. It's been a while. Alright give me five minutes to get logged in.

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

Ok rip give me twenty minutes my friends just invited me. I didn't know if you'd reply.

the weeaboo2 votes

Full Attack Speed and Movement Speed Bard is the most op assassin

Critmaster Garen2 votes

still Caitlyn

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

Mobile? Check. Obscene burst? Check. Unfun to lane against? Double check.

Yep, I'd say Caitlyn checks out as an assassin.

HazyCloud71 votes

Full AD Jarvan you mean. Doesn't even need flash to one shot you.

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

Why need flash when you have two damaging gapclosers? Huehuehue.

BobaFlautist1 votes

Full ap Malphite

ÈvilMorty1 votes

HiAnivia item 3040 item 3151 item 3089 item 3030 item 3165 item 3020 (alternative) item 3135 item 3027

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