Why does morde have 325 base ms....

GigglesO·Feb 24, 2017·49 votes·2,377 views

IT makes absolutely no sense.

82 Comments

AhristocatsFeb 24, 201715 votes

He's supposed to rely on allies

i don't know if it's good or not but that is how he works he needs CC with him, and engage so he can use his W and gain +75 bonus movement speed

I play Morde myself and when i play him i just accept that and don't try anything alone

Malicious MetalFeb 24, 20179 votes

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I play Morde myself and when i play him i just accept that and don't try anything alone

Nobody wants to be 100% team reliant.

Rylais and MS Quints and you can do stuff yourself

Ariel the CruelFeb 25, 20175 votes

Nobody wants to be 100% team reliant.

And yet, everybody expects supports (role) to be just that.

Hypocrisy OP.

NichtHurzFeb 25, 20172 votes

The thing about quite a few supports is, sure they're team reliant, but in a different way. Morde needs his teammates to get the smallest bit of use out of his kit, without them he's helpless most of the time and can't play proactive.

Supports like Alistar, Leona, Braum, Zyra, Thresh etc. need their team to do much, but they can proactively utilize their own kits and then rely on allies following up.

Ariel the CruelFeb 25, 20172 votes

And yet, everybody expects supports (role) to be just that.

Clearer? I'm not talking players, not champions.

GigglesOFeb 24, 20173 votes

So this is part of the reason old karma got reworked, nobody would play her leash game with her.

AhristocatsFeb 24, 20171 votes

was she? maybe i don't know

but for real i like playing new morde and don't mind needing an ally, i may be alone since malicious hates that

ShaolinToiletFeb 25, 20171 votes

If he hates it then you are pretty much alone cause everyone else will hate it too

Faceroll TacticsFeb 28, 20172 votes

What's that supposed to mean? Does every morde player take MM's opinion automatically?

ShaolinToiletFeb 28, 20171 votes

9 out of 10 do no matter how bad it is

CannabisOverlordMar 2, 20171 votes

Yes, yes we do xD

MordepoolFeb 25, 201711 votes

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He's supposed to rely on allies

and gain +75 bonus movement speed

Wow wow. +75 MS #if you are at Max distance. #If you are running Directly at your ally.

These are both big ifs and Frankly they should remove one of them. This would go along way for Mordekaisers QOUL. (Quality of Undying Life)

AhristocatsFeb 25, 20175 votes

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Wow wow. +75 MS

yes this is a lot believe me, i mean malicious doesn't often talk about how useful it is, but i tested it few times and if you use it right it's a big difference

{quoted} #if you are at Max distance.

you sure? please show me an evidence i didn't know this one

if it's true then yes one of the 2 should be removed

GigglesOFeb 25, 20176 votes

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yes this is a lot believe me, i mean malicious doesn't often talk about how useful it is, but i tested it few times and if you use it right it's a big difference

you sure? please show me an evidence i didn't know this one

if it's true then yes one of the 2 should be removed

Speed decreases the closer you get to your ally.

AmazoXFeb 25, 20177 votes

You think that doesn't make sense? Mordekaiser a walking giant body metal has the lowest base armor in the game.

ModAcademy KaynFeb 25, 20177 votes

I mean, it does. He's a giant metal suit with nothing moving him but arcane energy. The amount of energy required to move such a heavy suit, while also being capable of sustaining hits, must be an impressive one, as he also has to use spells outside of maintaining suit.

Ionian VulpixFeb 25, 20176 votes

I've seen more Morde threads and complaints on the board than I have Mordekaiser in game.

GigglesOFeb 26, 20172 votes

That is because he is so pitiful to play.

MorgManBasherFeb 25, 20176 votes

Gimmie dat 335 movement speed boys Mordekaiser

GelmousFeb 25, 20175 votes

well if he had 0 ms he wouldn't be able to walk around so he needs some

RexSaurFeb 24, 20174 votes

For the same reason darius doesnt have arcane shift or riftwalk on his kit.

If morde was more mobile he would need tankyness/damage nerfs again, inb4 the biased morde main whines about this.

Malicious MetalFeb 24, 201714 votes

Yet he has two slows, a pull and 340 MS

RexSaurFeb 24, 20175 votes

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Yet he has two slows, a pull and 340 MS

Difference being is that mobile melee champs can actually attempt to play the game against darius, even if hes a bit ahead (since they can dodge his Q and bait his pull).

Now if morde is ahead you literally cant even go close to him, cant trade, all in or anything.

AhristocatsFeb 24, 20178 votes

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Now if morde is ahead you literally cant even go close to him, cant trade, all in or anything.

If you don't know how to play the game than sure the rework made it possible by giving him base stats of a squishy support combined with tons of delayed damage

the 2 combined makes you able to trade with morde And you can actually walk out of his W to not let him heal

RexSaurFeb 24, 20173 votes

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If you don't know how to play the game than sure the rework made it possible by giving him base stats of a squishy support combined with tons of delayed damage

the 2 combined makes you able to trade with morde And you can actually walk out of his W to not let him heal

Thats if the lane is even or if hes behind.

I said the moment he gets ahead hes oppressive and pretty much no melee champion can fight him back, which is why he has the bad base stats including base MS.

AhristocatsFeb 24, 201711 votes

every champions get oppressive once they have a lead

morde isn't an exception

GigglesOFeb 25, 20177 votes

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every champions get oppressive once they have a lead

morde isn't an exception

Some can be oppressive before they even have a lead...

Fiora Renekton Ahri Ekko Gangplank Jayce Riven Rengar Swain MonkeyKing Yasuo Ziggs

NineTailedMysticFeb 25, 20171 votes

Ahri isn't oppressive until she gets a lead. She's pitiful when behind, and only has an average laning phase.

GigglesOFeb 25, 20172 votes

That depends on who you are playing. Try playing something like chogath into her... she just gonna orb you to death early game.

NineTailedMysticFeb 25, 20172 votes

First, Cho is fucking awful to lane against. Just take E first level and shove the wave. Max W to be cancer. Passive + Corruption Pot/Dark Seal start provides more than enough sustain and Ahri will run herself out of Mana before she can kill Cho. At 6, if you ever hit a Q, she dies. inb4 "hur hurr she'll just dash away" She doesn't have R up all the time.

GigglesOFeb 25, 20174 votes

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First, Cho is fucking awful to lane against. Just take E first level and shove the wave. Max W to be cancer. Passive + Corruption Pot/Dark Seal start provides more than enough sustain and Ahri will run herself out of Mana before she can kill Cho. At 6, if you ever hit a Q, she dies. inb4 "hur hurr she'll just dash away" She doesn't have R up all the time.

Gl getting her in range, you sound like a silver with that logic.

NineTailedMysticFeb 25, 20172 votes

If she can hit you with her abilities, you can hit her with yours. Rupture is 950 range with a 175 radius. So a 1125 total range. Ahri's E is her longest ability at 975. If she wants to all in, she will be in range of Cho outside of his R.

VoidStaresBackFeb 25, 20175 votes

Cho's issue in the matchup is that Ahri is a lot more mobile than most mage midlaners and doesn't have to stand still to cast spells, so it's hard for him to land his Q reliably, on top of having huge mana issues early in the game like he does in every lane. It's favorable to Ahri, but Cho can win it if he predicts her.

VoidStaresBackFeb 26, 20171 votes

Ugh why do people keep randomly downvoting you for having a conversation?

You're absolutely right about that, and that's where it becomes a skill matchup: Cho'gath's Q has a long enough cast and setup time that it's easily dodgeable if he can't accurately predict Ahri's spells (especially since Ahri's Q gives movespeed), but his kit has a lot more direct power for dealing with Ahri if he can land it, especially since he's a lot tankier. I think it still favors Ahri, but it's not a "lol autowin" lane by any stretch of the imagination.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 24, 20171 votes

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Difference being is that mobile melee champs can actually attempt to play the game against darius, even if hes a bit ahead (since they can dodge his Q and bait his pull).

Now if morde is ahead you literally cant even go close to him, cant trade, all in or anything.

He's not wrong.

Unless you have dissengage built into your kit. Then it's... well, depends how far behind you are. If you're still winning short trades, then you just do that, if not, then... get someone ranged.

GigglesOFeb 25, 20173 votes

Ummm, you know how many people walk away from me even with 3 ms quints on morde... almost everyone.

Golden Tager XFeb 25, 20172 votes

Let us not forget that he can use the bleed on black cleaver to basically get permanent +20 ms too.

GigglesOFeb 25, 20171 votes

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For the same reason darius doesnt have arcane shift or riftwalk on his kit.

If morde was more mobile he would need tankyness/damage nerfs again, inb4 the biased morde main whines about this.

He already has one of the lowest base healths in the game, and has very little base armor or MR.

NineTailedMysticFeb 25, 20172 votes

Iron Man.

Faceroll TacticsFeb 28, 20171 votes

He has a passive shield that recharges on damage and a self heal that is pretty spammable, his build path has health (rylais) and if you build gunblade you have tons of sustain.

GigglesOMar 1, 20171 votes

Sustain does nothing if you can't get close enough to damage them. Even with rylis slow a lot of champions can outwalk him.

Faceroll TacticsMar 1, 20171 votes

....but it works on minions

....and all you have to do it get close enough to ult and they will be slowed for multiple years, I doubt they can outrun you while slowed.

GigglesOMar 1, 20172 votes

item 3142 alone negates rylis, and with numerous knock backs, dashes, jumps, cc, and even just having a higher ms its easier than you might think.