Idea for an extra passive to add on to Ezreal's W

GuileRaven·May 8, 2015·3 votes·2,228 views

Basically allow his W to mark minions that it passes through. Auto attacking a minion will pop the mark (like Lux passive) and deal a percentage of AP in magic damage. This would give AP Ezreal some decent farming ability, without impacting AD Ezreal or harming his ability to poke without pushing. Popping minion marks should add stacks to his main passive.

Up the thread if you agree.

For those of you who say you don't "see the point", something tells me you don't main AP Ezreal or play him particularly often.

50 Comments

OnegarionMay 8, 20154 votes

Why? I don't really see why he needs this. If you are dealing % damage its still %. It would directly buff both and I really don't understand what point it has to him?

GuileRavenMay 8, 20151 votes

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Why? I don't really see why he needs this. If you are dealing % damage its still %. It would directly buff both and I really don't understand what point it has to him?

AP Ezreal is not used in competitive play because his CS farming is complete crap. You can do well with him, but you will always fall behind in CS if your overall team doesn't completely dominate the map, and even then your CS will be lower than the rest of your team minus the support.

It will not "directly buff both". AD Ezreal will have 30 AP at most, and the mark only works on minions not champions.

OnegarionMay 8, 20153 votes

Thats the trade off of playing ezreal. He has terrible wave clear. Not sure why he needs to have better wave clear or why AP ez being a thing is so important. Its not the optimal build for him, but it doesn't mean its bad.

GuileRavenMay 12, 20151 votes

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Thats the trade off of playing ezreal. He has terrible wave clear. Not sure why he needs to have better wave clear or why AP ez being a thing is so important. Its not the optimal build for him, but it doesn't mean its bad.

"Not sure why he needs to have better wave clear"

It's not about waveclear, it's about general ability to keep up in cs with other champions during late game.

"why AP ez being a thing is so important."

People enjoy playing it, therefore it is important.

"Its not the optimal build for him, but it doesn't mean its bad."

The fact that it's not an optimal build is the important part. I don't understand why this needs to be disputed, if people want to play a champion a certain way they should be able too without handicapping themselves. Besides, mage fits his lore better. Also, I find it rather ironic that the "explorer" can't jungle for shit. Similar issues with Teemo.

OnegarionMay 12, 20151 votes

You show little knowledge in this area and only pose a "because its fun" reasoning. First its all about waveclear. What you describe only boosts his wave clear. An Ez should be able to keep up in CS with just his Q and last hitting under tower. Its an unnecessary mechanic that would only overload his kit in meaningless ways and bring nerfs in areas that are fine.

Just because people enjoy it doesn't make it important to push AP ez when more people enjoy AD ez. Adding this unecessary mechanic would bring in nerfs.

No one is stopping you from playing AP ez by saying its not the optimal build. First you need to understand what optimal means here in that its the build that brings out the most of a champions kit. You may be able to burst more with an AP ez, but it leaves a chunk of Ez's kit and ignores it.

Actually there shouldn't be a way to play a champ a certain way without handicapping themselves. So then I should be able to play full AP Darius and be effective? Its not how balancing works at all. It shows a clear lack of understanding of how balancing even works. Each champion has a power budget and when you add something 9/10 you have to take something in return of "equal" power.

Lore doesn't matter especially after riot did their retcon. They said that gameplay is not guaranteed to match lore.

GuileRavenMay 13, 20151 votes

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You show little knowledge in this area and only pose a "because its fun" reasoning. First its all about waveclear. What you describe only boosts his wave clear. An Ez should be able to keep up in CS with just his Q and last hitting under tower. Its an unnecessary mechanic that would only overload his kit in meaningless ways and bring nerfs in areas that are fine.

Yea, right up until the late game phase where all your CS is stolen by teammates or giant minion waves.

No one is stopping you from playing AP ez by saying its not the optimal build. First you need to understand what optimal means here in that its the build that brings out the most of a champions kit. You may be able to burst more with an AP ez, but it leaves a chunk of Ez's kit and ignores it.

It also falls short in comparison to other AP champions that have similar strengths and none of the weaknesses. Lets take Ziggs for example, his range is longer than Ezreal, he has a comparable burst, and a global ult. He has an ability that can either be used for mobility or damage. He has tons of crowed clear.

Actually there shouldn't be a way to play a champ a certain way without handicapping themselves. So then I should be able to play full AP Darius and be effective? Its not how balancing works at all. It shows a clear lack of understanding of how balancing even works. Each champion has a power budget and when you add something 9/10 you have to take something in return of "equal" power.

Handicapping in comparison to another build... AP Darius is incomparable, he is a warrior through and through. There is no thematic reason for an AP secondary build and it wouldn't play any differently anyways because he is already an ability reliant champion.

Lore doesn't matter especially after riot did their retcon. They said that gameplay is not guaranteed to match lore.

Well this is a problem.

DJ Di0May 8, 20152 votes

It used to heal champions, maybe bring that back instead? Though, I really don't think Ezreal needs buffs right now.

As for helping AP Ezreal's waveclear, you'd be taking away one of the weaknesses he has that make him balanced.

GuileRavenMay 8, 20151 votes

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It used to heal champions, maybe bring that back instead? Though, I really don't think Ezreal needs buffs right now.

I was not a player back then, but as far as I can tell; everyone hated that...

As for helping AP Ezreal's waveclear, you'd be taking away one of the weaknesses he has that make him balanced.

This is not wave clear, it's not a single attack that wipes out a wave, it's something lets him cs more effectively. You are still using your auto attacks and Q to CS, this just gives you a better window of opportunity. He can be played effectively in the hands of a skilled player, but that same skilled player can use a different champion better. That is not balance. Ahri is very similar but she does not fall behind in CS.

ModAcademy KaynMay 8, 20152 votes

You're missing the point. By having a weak wave clear (Another example Leblanc ) he is allowed to have more power.

GuileRavenMay 8, 20151 votes

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You're missing the point. By having a weak wave clear (Another example ) he is allowed to have more power.

Are you saying we should remove her wave clear?

ModAcademy KaynMay 8, 20151 votes

That's not at all what I'm saying. Ezreal has a cheap poke, Leblanc has expensive poke. So if she wants to burn 100 mane for a minion wave so be it. But if you want to burn 50 mane for a clear, then no.

GuileRavenMay 12, 20151 votes

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That's not at all what I'm saying. Ezreal has a cheap poke, Leblanc has expensive poke. So if she wants to burn 100 mane for a minion wave so be it. But if you want to burn 50 mane for a clear, then no.

She can burn that mana for a minion wave and still hit you with it.

DuroxxigarMay 8, 20152 votes

You could just, you know, not suck.

GuileRavenMay 8, 20151 votes

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You could just, you know, not suck.

I do quite well as AP ezreal. It's just other champs can do what AP ezreal does better. It is 100% impossible to keep up with CSing in late game as AP ezreal. Once the minion waves start pushing, the enemy minions will die too quickly to get a finishing auto attack in.

All SkillzzMay 8, 20151 votes

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I do quite well as AP ezreal. It's just other champs can do what AP ezreal does better. It is 100% impossible to keep up with CSing in late game as AP ezreal. Once the minion waves start pushing, the enemy minions will die too quickly to get a finishing auto attack in.

yea if your team is really far behind you cant farm the minion waves for shit or teamfight all that well when there is 1000000 minions incoming your base.

GuileRavenMay 8, 20151 votes

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yea if your team is really far behind you cant farm the minion waves for shit or teamfight all that well when there is 1000000 minions incoming your base.

I was actually talking about the reverse, but that too. If you are winning and shoving into your enemy; your teammates will take all of the cs, unless you are shoving by yourself; in which case your own massive minion wave will be stealing it.

DuroxxigarMay 8, 20153 votes

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I do quite well as AP ezreal. It's just other champs can do what AP ezreal does better. It is 100% impossible to keep up with CSing in late game as AP ezreal. Once the minion waves start pushing, the enemy minions will die too quickly to get a finishing auto attack in.

And this is what we call a "weakness".

GuileRavenMay 12, 20151 votes

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And this is what we call a "weakness".

Yea, a weakness that other champions with similar strengths do not have.

DuroxxigarMay 12, 20151 votes

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Yea, a weakness that other champions with similar strengths do not have.

So? Darius can be kited, but it's hard to kite Xin Zhao. See the fallacy of your statement? Not every champion needs to have the same strength's and weaknesses. I have honestly never heard of people complaining that they can't CS with AP Ez. And I have a few friends who have always loved playing him AP.

So, I really think it is just you who can't CS with him. Everyone else I see/know seems to have ZERO problems with it. Interesting....

RikinMay 12, 20151 votes

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So? Darius can be kited, but it's hard to kite Xin Zhao. See the fallacy of your statement? Not every champion needs to have the same strength's and weaknesses. I have honestly never heard of people complaining that they can't CS with AP Ez. And I have a few friends who have always loved playing him AP.

So, I really think it is just you who can't CS with him. Everyone else I see/know seems to have ZERO problems with it. Interesting....

If you were to ask me though, unlike other midlaners AP Ezreal's strengths nowhere near make up for AP Ezreal's weaknesses. Having no waveclear already makes for a poor midlaner. Having no CC makes it worse. And to top it all off his damage, while significant is rather inconsistent

DuroxxigarMay 12, 20151 votes

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If you were to ask me though, unlike other midlaners AP Ezreal's strengths nowhere near make up for AP Ezreal's weaknesses. Having no waveclear already makes for a poor midlaner. Having no CC makes it worse. And to top it all off his damage, while significant is rather inconsistent

He wasn't designed to be played as an APC though. So you are comparing a champion who is designed for one role, but can be played in another, to a champion who is designed for a role but can't really be played in another (with few exceptions)

RikinMay 13, 20151 votes

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He wasn't designed to be played as an APC though. So you are comparing a champion who is designed for one role, but can be played in another, to a champion who is designed for a role but can't really be played in another (with few exceptions)

You cannot say that ezreal wasn't designed to be played as an APC because no one know except for the reds who designed them and I don't think they've told us. But at the very least what we do know is that thematically, his kit and original lore strongly suggests mage and that most people played him as a mage before his heal got removed.

DuroxxigarMay 13, 20151 votes

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You cannot say that ezreal wasn't designed to be played as an APC because no one know except for the reds who designed them and I don't think they've told us. But at the very least what we do know is that thematically, his kit and original lore strongly suggests mage and that most people played him as a mage before his heal got removed.

Yeah and Aatrox's lore said he was a fucking god in battle. Jax was undefeated. Malphite is a fucking mountain. Xerath has unlimited power. Vlad can drain all the blood from someone. See what I'm getting at? Stop looking at the lore so much.

Numerous people have said that he is fine the way he is. You are trying to buff a quality on a champion because you can't CS with him late game.

GuileRavenMay 13, 20151 votes

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Yeah and Aatrox's lore said he was a fucking god in battle. Jax was undefeated. Malphite is a fucking mountain. Xerath has unlimited power. Vlad can drain all the blood from someone. See what I'm getting at? Stop looking at the lore so much.

Are you really telling me that you can't see the difference between maintaining thematic lore, and weakening champions for balance reasons?

Numerous people have said that he is fine the way he is. You are trying to buff a quality on a champion because you can't CS with him late game.

The only people who seem to say that he is "fine the way he is" are people who don't regularly play him AP, or have no desire to do it competitively. Find me one person who regularly and successfully plays AP Ezreal in platinum or higher.

DuroxxigarMay 13, 20151 votes

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Are you really telling me that you can't see the difference between maintaining thematic lore, and weakening champions for balance reasons?

The only people who seem to say that he is "fine the way he is" are people who don't regularly play him AP, or have no desire to do it competitively. Find me one person who regularly and successfully plays AP Ezreal in platinum or higher.

To the first thing, you are the one constantly referring to his lore. To the 2nd one, there really isn't many people who plays him "regularly". But both of my friends who DO play him, sure not 1000 games a season, but have been playing him since release, think he is just fine and they both do just fine with him. Also, in pro play, he has seen play in mid and it has been successful. But if you want to go that route about people who play him regularly... Yorick This guy has been on the back burner for YEARS. At least your champion is a VIABLE mid. Meanwhile this guy is just a joke. Yeah, there have been some people who have gotten to challenger or Diamond with him, but that doesn't mean he is fine.

GuileRavenMay 13, 20151 votes

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To the first thing, you are the one constantly referring to his lore. To the 2nd one, there really isn't many people who plays him "regularly". But both of my friends who DO play him, sure not 1000 games a season, but have been playing him since release, think he is just fine and they both do just fine with him. Also, in pro play, he has seen play in mid and it has been successful. But if you want to go that route about people who play him regularly... This guy has been on the back burner for YEARS. At least your champion is a VIABLE mid. Meanwhile this guy is just a joke. Yeah, there have been some people who have gotten to challenger or Diamond with him, but that doesn't mean he is fine.

Are they playing him AP? As for Yorick. It's not really relevant. Pointing out the fact that other champions need re-balancing as well, doesn't detract from the fact that this build needs balancing too.

DuroxxigarMay 13, 20151 votes

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Are they playing him AP? As for Yorick. It's not really relevant. Pointing out the fact that other champions need re-balancing as well, doesn't detract from the fact that this build needs balancing too.

Yes, they play him AP. And if you look at what I previously said, I said it is a waste of time when there are other champions that need the time more.

GuileRavenMay 13, 20151 votes

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Yes, they play him AP. And if you look at what I previously said, I said it is a waste of time when there are other champions that need the time more.

No, see... You are pointing out a champion that needs fixing. I am pointing out a champion that needs fixing and giving a pretty simple suggestion on how to fix it. Fixing an issue is NEVER a waste of time, and in this case does not need any sort of major rework but rather a simple change to his W.

RikinMay 13, 20151 votes

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Yeah and Aatrox's lore said he was a fucking god in battle. Jax was undefeated. Malphite is a fucking mountain. Xerath has unlimited power. Vlad can drain all the blood from someone. See what I'm getting at? Stop looking at the lore so much.

Numerous people have said that he is fine the way he is. You are trying to buff a quality on a champion because you can't CS with him late game.

None of those examples give a contradiction between lore and gameplay. Obviously Xerath doesn't get to obliterate everyone just by blinking, but the lore says that he is a being of energy and that's reflected in the game with him flinging out bolts of energy. It's pretty hard to mistake "This permitted Ezreal to tap into his latent magical abilities without having to put any serious effort into it" for the description of an ADC. In any-case the rest of my points stand. Ezreal was clearly designed more with a mage in mind, or at the very least as a champion with dual ap/ad builds.

Here's my question to you though. All typical midlaners, past or present have had a way to deal with creep waves that wasn't attached to their ult. You've admitted that AP ezreal's strengths do not make up for his weaknesses. Given that this buff will not make ap ezreal overpowered and nor will it affect ad ezreal in any way or form, Why are you against this buff?

DuroxxigarMay 13, 20151 votes

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None of those examples give a contradiction between lore and gameplay. Obviously Xerath doesn't get to obliterate everyone just by blinking, but the lore says that he is a being of energy and that's reflected in the game with him flinging out bolts of energy. It's pretty hard to mistake "This permitted Ezreal to tap into his latent magical abilities without having to put any serious effort into it" for the description of an ADC. In any-case the rest of my points stand. Ezreal was clearly designed more with a mage in mind, or at the very least as a champion with dual ap/ad builds.

Here's my question to you though. All typical midlaners, past or present have had a way to deal with creep waves that wasn't attached to their ult. You've admitted that AP ezreal's strengths do not make up for his weaknesses. Given that this buff will not make ap ezreal overpowered and nor will it affect ad ezreal in any way or form, Why are you against this buff?

I don't think I ever said that his strengths make up for his weaknesses, and I'm not really against the buff. I just think it is time wasted on a style of Ez that is just fine.

GuileRavenMay 13, 20151 votes

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I don't think I ever said that his strengths make up for his weaknesses, and I'm not really against the buff. I just think it is time wasted on a style of Ez that is just fine.

To you sure, but others might like to be able to play AP Ezreal competatively.

DuroxxigarMay 13, 20151 votes

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To you sure, but others might like to be able to play AP Ezreal competatively.

AP Ez mid has been played in pro play. How much more competitively do you want?

GuileRavenMay 13, 20151 votes

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AP Ez mid has been played in pro play. How much more competitively do you want?

How recently are we talking?

DuroxxigarMay 13, 20151 votes

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How recently are we talking?

This split...and at MSI.

GuileRavenMay 13, 20151 votes

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This split...and at MSI.

Can you link me to a youtube video or something?

GuileRavenMay 13, 20151 votes

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He wasn't designed to be played as an APC though. So you are comparing a champion who is designed for one role, but can be played in another, to a champion who is designed for a role but can't really be played in another (with few exceptions)

This IS the issue though. Why can't he be designed for both roles? Why must one take complete backseat to the other? Why can't they just be different ways to play the same champion?

GuileRavenMay 13, 20151 votes

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So? Darius can be kited, but it's hard to kite Xin Zhao. See the fallacy of your statement? Not every champion needs to have the same strength's and weaknesses. I have honestly never heard of people complaining that they can't CS with AP Ez. And I have a few friends who have always loved playing him AP.

Facepalm... What part of AP Ezreal has a major weakness that other AP champs with the same strengths do not have translates to "all champs must have the same strengths and weaknesses".

Darius and Xin Zhao aren't even remotely the same champion. There is nothing similar about their play-style other than they are melee.

So, I really think it is just you who can't CS with him. Everyone else I see/know seems to have ZERO problems with it. Interesting....

That's funny because half the people here are making the argument that his lack of csing ability is "balance". As if he's the most powerful AP champion ever and needs this csing handicap.

DuroxxigarMay 13, 20151 votes

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Facepalm... What part of AP Ezreal has a major weakness that other AP champs with the same strengths do not have translates to "all champs must have the same strengths and weaknesses".

Darius and Xin Zhao aren't even remotely the same champion. There is nothing similar about their play-style other than they are melee.

That's funny because half the people here are making the argument that his lack of csing ability is "balance". As if he's the most powerful AP champion ever and needs this csing handicap.

Faceplam x 2....So what weakness do you say he should have? Cause people seem to do fine with CSing with him. Averages about 9 cs less per game than Xerath. Both of them are considered poke syle champions. So, if 9 CS is gamebreaking for you....well, I don't know what to tell you.

Darius and Xin have VERY similar playstyles. They both are melee. Both prefer all-ins. Both are early game champs. Both put out a lot of damage. Both are fine with wave clear. Both build Bruiser. Both become next to useless unless snowballed.

So, what would you say his weakness is without this CS "handicap"?

GuileRavenMay 13, 20151 votes

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Faceplam x 2....So what weakness do you say he should have? Cause people seem to do fine with CSing with him. Averages about 9 cs less per game than Xerath. Both of them are considered poke syle champions. So, if 9 CS is gamebreaking for you....well, I don't know what to tell you.

Are you actually comparing AP Ezreal specifically; or are you just looking at Ezreal's overall csing average? AD Ezreal's csing is much better than AP Ezreal's csing

Darius and Xin have VERY similar playstyles. They both are melee. Both prefer all-ins. Both are early game champs. Both put out a lot of damage. Both are fine with wave clear. Both build Bruiser. Both become next to useless unless snowballed.

One is ultra mobile and likes to force one on one duels. The other is a marching juggernaut who yanks everyone to him and beats the shit out of them. You want to compare two extremely similar champs with one mostly being better than the other; look at Vi and Jarvan.

So, what would you say his weakness is without this CS "handicap"?

He has no CC that's a big weakness for an AP mid. He's a jack of numerous trades but master of none. He pokes like ziggs, has mobility like ahri; but has less burst than both.

DuroxxigarMay 13, 20151 votes

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Are you actually comparing AP Ezreal specifically; or are you just looking at Ezreal's overall csing average? AD Ezreal's csing is much better than AP Ezreal's csing

One is ultra mobile and likes to force one on one duels. The other is a marching juggernaut who yanks everyone to him and beats the shit out of them. You want to compare two extremely similar champs with one mostly being better than the other; look at Vi and Jarvan.

He has no CC that's a big weakness for an AP mid. He's a jack of numerous trades but master of none. He pokes like ziggs, has mobility like ahri; but has less burst than both.

I was looking at Mid lane Ez.

I would hardly call Xin "ultra mobile"....

Vlad has no CC other than his pool...if you really want to count that...

GuileRavenMay 13, 20151 votes

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I was looking at Mid lane Ez.

Believe it or not, a large amount of mid lane Ezreal players do ADC. Don't know why, but I see it on youtube all the time, especially with big names like Bjergson.

I would hardly call Xin "ultra mobile"....

Okay, mobile isn't the best word. Sticky is what I mean. Xin sticks to a single target like glue, and blows away everyone else. Darius is the reverse, he doesn't stick to a single target he locks a whole bunch of them down and makes it hard for them to escape. It's a different mindset, and thus attracts different types of players.

Vlad has no CC other than his pool...if you really want to count that...

Vlad is AP but he is not really a midlaner. He is a top laner. Mid lane is for champs that like quick fights. Vlad is all about extended trading. He is tanky, something that most AP carries are not.

DuroxxigarMay 13, 20151 votes

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Believe it or not, a large amount of mid lane Ezreal players do ADC. Don't know why, but I see it on youtube all the time, especially with big names like Bjergson.

Okay, mobile isn't the best word. Sticky is what I mean. Xin sticks to a single target like glue, and blows away everyone else. Darius is the reverse, he doesn't stick to a single target he locks a whole bunch of them down and makes it hard for them to escape. It's a different mindset, and thus attracts different types of players.

Vlad is AP but he is not really a midlaner. He is a top laner. Mid lane is for champs that like quick fights. Vlad is all about extended trading. He is tanky, something that most AP carries are not.

But Vlad was designed for mid lane. And he is an APC regardless of what you want to say. Secondly, I'm done with this thread. You refuse to listen to anyone else. Others have given good points, but you just refute it because it is your fav champion. So w/e. This thread is a waste of time.

GuileRavenMay 13, 20151 votes

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But Vlad was designed for mid lane. And he is an APC regardless of what you want to say. Secondly, I'm done with this thread. You refuse to listen to anyone else. Others have given good points, but you just refute it because it is your fav champion. So w/e. This thread is a waste of time.

But I HAVE been listening, and I have been explaining why I disagree. Wait, your angry because I can refute your points? What kind of logic is that? If they can be refuted then they are not "good points". Vlad is "still an APC" but he is an APC that plays different from other APCs and has completely different strengths and different weaknesses than other APCs.

The main issue here is that there are a number of AP champions that also excel at the things AP Ezreal is good at but are not handicapped.

Mr ImmaturityMay 8, 20151 votes

Adding stacks to his main passive would be a little too strong becuase he'd get his passive up far too quickly that way, and get a lot of early game waveclear that other common adc's cant contend with. Ganks would do nothing to him because of his double flash capability, so he would be next to untouchable with that much waveclear.

However, the passive idea itself isn't bad. Maybe if it did 0 dmg and only % of AP, it would definitely provide useful for wave clearing as an AP/Mid ezreal. I like it! The passive stack thing is a nono though.

GuileRavenMay 8, 20151 votes

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Adding stacks to his main passive would be a little too strong becuase he'd get his passive up far too quickly that way,and get a lot of early game waveclear that other common adc's cant contend with. Ganks would do nothing to him because of his double flash capability, so he would be next to untouchable with that much waveclear.

I disagree. We would have to see some testing to know for sure, it's definitely worth exploring. If it's OP then it remover it before applying the buff to the game.

As for other ADCs not being able to contend with it; I think you underestimate what they are capable of. Lucian has his double shot and 2 csing abilities (one of which is AOE, the other also hits 2 things). Tristana has a much more powerful attack speed steroid and AOE. Jinx has attack speed steroids and AOE (probably the best CSer for ADCs). Ashe has AOE. Varus has a similar attack speed passive, and AOE. Kalista can just stack her E on all the minions and nuke them.

Ezreal is the only ADC that is limited to 1 reliable but single target cs ability (his E is his escape, his ult is well. His ult, it also loses all it's damage when fired into a crowed; and won't get you much CS) , and has the only attack attack speed steroid that is mediocre late game and practically a non-factor in the early game.

However, the passive idea itself isn't bad. Maybe if it did 0 dmg and only % of AP, it would definitely provide useful for wave clearing as an AP/Mid ezreal.

Yes it should be % of AP only. No base damage.

The Sword SaintMay 12, 20151 votes

Vayne has no waveclear, and her 'auto attack reset' actually makes her lose DPS when she has bought her attack speed items. Ashe's 'wave clear' is almost worthless for clearing waves until it's maxed for the low cd and even then you need to spam it. Kog'Maw has to choose between skilling up abilities that actually make him a threat and a waveclear ability - which is also his only 'escape' so he has to use it sparingly even if he maxes it for waveclear.

You get the idea. Some adc's have waveclear as a feature of their kit that they pay for in other ways (cait is an example), and some have other strengths (like vayne's dueling and chasing).

All SkillzzMay 8, 20151 votes

i never have much trouble csing as ap ezreal, i always go even with the enemy mid, just run ad reds and its easy you can farm with q or your ult and spam q to get your low cd ult off cooldown when its time to use it.

GuileRavenMay 8, 20151 votes

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i never have much trouble csing as ap ezreal, i always go even with the enemy mid, just run ad reds and its easy you can farm with q or your ult and spam q to get your low cd ult off cooldown when its time to use it.

Yes, if you are good player you can keep it pretty even during the laning phase. It's after the laning phase that you will very quickly fall behind. Competing in CS with your opponet as AP Ezreal isn't that hard. It's competing with your own allies (including the minions waves) that is challenging.