Suggested Kindred Changes for after Patch 7.9 or Preseason 8 in a Way Riot already did good recently

Hi, it's my first time i share one of my many Ideas how to change a champ, so if this go well i would share an idea for a full Nunurework.

Speaking of I think many people agree that she/it was released in a good shape and got kinda nerfed to the grounds. No Pro beside Moon plays her anymore competive and you made her rly relitant to her stacks for dmg on autos, q and w which wasnt the case on her release: Riot removed her heal for an attackspeedslow on w and addded the passive dmg on her q by nerving the base dmg of max q from 180 to 135. To have 180 dmg on q you need 9 Stacks. Kindred so far got recently her marksystem a bit updated which took her winrate kinda back to 50% and riot said they want to upgrade crit midseason and than see if kindred needs farther work but i want to suggest a change now cause i think she is rly still on an unhealthy spot which i doubt crititemization will solve for short (but maybe you surprise me) or definetly not for long. By doing this i want to compare her to other champions you recently changed and made them better speaking for myself, the comunity and you mostly i believe.

So just dmg Buffs or tweaks i don't think will help anything cause this would make her just to be to strong again, it needs something that has counterplay and is not just op but also works for kindred if she is behind. Cause how is it know? If Kindred is strong and ahead, she can go into the enemy jungel and take the camps for her passivestacks. If she is behind or even her current stats can't allow her to invade the enemy jungel and skirmish the camps. To get than Strenght and for that Stacks she needs to hunt down marked champions as alternative. I say alternative and want to amply that it is currently working bad which i want to get changed.

Current Situation is: You need to select a target 8 seconds before you can kill it and if it not gets killed you have to wait 90s before you can change to another target. I think this is as bad as the old e: You toggeled it on and lowlife enemys knew you were around and try to get away/play passive. Toggeled off they didn't hear him if he was near but also he got no buff. New has his W all time on, hunting lowlife targets globaly. Enemys are warned they are marked if they drop low but they don't know if Warwick is near them if they don't see him on the minimap and don't play actualy at this point now passive or backport the second they drop low. So doesn't warn enemys if she is near too, cause she can mark a botlane champ while being on top but the diffrence is that Warwick kinda pressures every enemy all time giving him a buff if they fall low while Kindred pressures only 1 Target at once "all time". In reality it is like: Toplane: "Oh, Kindred marked me, but i saw her bot so idc" or Toplane: "Oh, Kindred marked me and i don't see her on the map. Pretty sure she wants to gank me soon, I'm gonna play passive now a bit till i see where she currently is and let my jungler know i got marked and he should be near me for a few seconds." So even if Kindred can scare ONE enemy for a few seconds or minutes, she will not get stronger by not collecting the mark and fall behind if she can't get her marks. What I wanted tell you is that the current System of Selecting One Champ before she can collect a stack is pretty bad. Especialy for the fact that Kindred loves to skirmish but if the enemy jungler invades her and she has no marks as well as not marked him she can't fight back. So to solve this i want to compare her to 2 other champs who need to stack to get stronger: and

can't get unlimited stacks, he just hunts down 5 enemys for his stacks (and maybe anothertime for stack 6 with "The hunt is on!"). Funny is that it is similar to Kindred, who is described as "The eternal Hunters". The diffrence is that Rengar doesn't have to mark his enemys, he can colelct them how he wants. He needs to damage them 1 second before they die and not only assist on the kills but on the other side he can get his kills also directly after each other, so one early multikill could give him multiple stacks. And beside dmg numbers rengar looks actual much more healthy. If he doesn't get the stacks he will remain weak but he doesnt have to select them before with a logn cooldwon bewtween and is after 5 kills finished. What could be done to ? Well, just remove the system to select one champ before a fight starts. You don't need to remove the cooldown so kindred gets with a triple kill 3 stacks cause this would snowball on infernal stacks pretty hard. But if she is free to gank any lane, being toplane and not accidently marked the enemy who backported before her eyes and having now a disadvantage. No, she can gank than mid or invade with her toplane enemy jungel and still get 1 jungelcampstack and 1 championstack, actualy still beiing able to hunt would be so nice. Maybe this would be to strong so i want to make the third comparison now.

while you noted he needs an update you gave him a miniupdate and he is similar to Kindred: Both have a cd to get stacks and can get stacks by killing champions and mosnters while limited to a certain number for that (Cho can eat minions/non epic monsters jsut for 6 Stacks and Kindred also can only hunt champions and epic mosnters after she reached 8 Stacks). The diffrence again is that doesn't need to selec the target he wants to eat but there is something else: in order to get the Stack he has to eat the enemy with his Ult "Feast". This has a natural cooldown so not like he can get multiple stacks in short time or 1 teamfight as well as he has to decide self if he wants eat monsters or enemys while has one mark mostly on 1 of each most time. Also if Cho makes a Combo but doesn't kill the enemy with Feast, just killed him with ingite or got an assists for example he doesn't get the stack which makes it fair and hard to stack too. While Cho may not on the best Spot and needs his update i think you did a great job by removing the system where he lsot stacks on deaths adn by eatign safe minions he can even get back from fallign behind unlike Kindred. So to make feel fair and rewarding it would maybe than need an active spell to gain a stack. But the question is which one, the q? It has a far to important role already and the cooldown synergy with her w lets Kindred spam it during the fight. Also cause of that it has not that big of an execution dmg to get the stack and deals aoe dmg. What i would suggest is Kindreds e "Mounting Dread". There could be multipel ways to do this dependign to test what is better. You can either let Kindred get her stack if she kills the target while it is still marked with her e or kill it with e, but his could lead to not let her engage with her e if she and her team can't kill the target fast enough, but faster as if she can apply it a second time. She could just mark the target she wants to hunt down with her e similar to how she does it currently without the 8s delay. What i would suggest is that as soon as she enters a fight the first target she uses e on is marked and needs to die for the stack. If the target doesn`t die fast enough and she uses e on antoher target it does't change the target. The mark will remain on the first target of her e and than this passive has like a 30s cd if she didn't secuded in killing it (or getting an assist). If she got the target than well, congratulations, she got a stack and before the e can mark another champ it goes on a 90s cooldown. This would be similar to new w there the cd gets reduced by half if he doesn't bloodhunt anything with the diffrence that kindreds cooldown woudl get down if she wasn't succesful in killing her Victim but if she was, she takes a longer break before hunting her next Victim.

Recap and pros of these changes: Remove the sytem of selecting one target globaly on the map. Let the cooldown between collecting stacks still be there to have it diffrent and fair compared to . Optional: Make it even harder/fairer to not only kill the first target in teamfight but by actualy still marking on Victim with her e similar to how feasts only once in teamfight. If she didn't succeed in geting down the marked Victim (or lost her assist by time) the cooldown of selecting a new victim passivly or with her e is reduced out of combat similar to w.

Pros and Cons: woudl loose her "Global" pressure with this change to pressure one lane but to be fair: If you want to do this you can play actualy "Global" champions like , , , or rly similar to her actual system but better: . But she gains the ability to be more effective early game, to gank lanes and get an actual lead with it. The very hard snowballing can be reduced by still having a cooldown but you don't fall behind if you as a player with not the greatest mind descions marked the wrong champion. Sure, Jungelcamps like Scuttler can help you too, but if the enemy jungler gets a lead current system doesn't allow Kindred much to collect the camps in the enemy jungel cause she is to weak. With this she can at least try to give her lanes a lead and get back lategame with rewards to being able to skirmish again if she lost even her own jungel to the enemy. Adding an actual mark with her e lets people still fight and protect for the mark similar to the current situation: You mark one enemy and you and your team trys to kill it first while the enemy trys to protect it, give him helas, shields, even the kyle shield, just to not give you the stack.

I hope you like the suggestions, riot lifebalance team, fellowed players, kindred mains and junglers who fear her getting back to strong. I just had these ideas comparing her in mind to the Number of other Stack Champs ( ) as well as hearing Iwd talking about how fine she was early and how much she depends now on the marks while having such low stats and agree that her kit is rly nice, it just needs to be upgraded a little and get some small power back, power which doesn't depend on current meta and itemstrenghts.