Last game I went Jinx and had to fight a Brand with Leona support. It's obvious that the crit nerf is too much that ADCs just aren't even worth playing anymore. I ended up feeding like hell, and couldn't farm that well before an opponent took me down. It was at that point that I realized that my main shouldn't be played anymore. An entire class, once relevent, now not worth playing due to Riot changing what isn't broken. I am glad I don't give them money anymore.
Rexxiee5 votesIf they were optional it would mean they would still be playable and viable.
But they are trash tier, so they arent even optional.
afmghost1 votesIf they were optional it would mean they would still be playable and viable.
But they are trash tier, so they arent even optional.
This will confirm or deny if I played with Astorine. It's optional if you're into hard as hell games, like Dark Souls. Dark Souls on a laggy MOBA with questionable hitboxes.
Mimr4 votesAnd why should marksmen have the privilege of being the only obligatory class in the entire game?
afmghost2 votesAnd why should marksmen have the privilege of being the only obligatory class in the entire game?
I never said they should. I said they shouldn't lose all relevance just for the sake of change, not that they should be the only important role in the game. You know what you make out of u and me when you assume?
Critmaster Garen3 votesADCs are optional now.
##THAT WAS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE CHANGES.
optional doesnt mean unviable. there was never a reason marksmen were mandatory. no other class is.
afmghost1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uEvj4Ar2,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-06-27T16:50:53.820+0000)
##THAT WAS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE CHANGES.
optional doesnt mean unviable. there was never a reason marksmen were mandatory. no other class is.
My entire point of the post is that they turned them from mandatory to shit.
Critmaster Garen3 votesMy entire point of the post is that they turned them from mandatory to shit.
they arent shit. youre just used to freelo.
marksmen were bonkers since the crit buffs in season 7, then the crazy supports and the entire ardent meta. a lot of people who complain about marksmen now never learned how to really play them. theyre just used to getting away with braindead right clicking, and that their lategame item builds already kicked in at 15 minutes, and didnt need to think about build pathes because they built the same 3 items literally every game on every marksman.
afmghost1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uEvj4Ar2,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2018-06-27T17:05:22.212+0000)
they arent shit. youre just used to freelo.
Actually, no.
marksmen were bonkers since the crit buffs in season 7, then the crazy supports and the entire ardent meta. a lot of people who complain about marksmen now never learned how to really play them. theyre just used to getting away with braindead right clicking.
Briandead right clicking? Because Jinx doesn't have any skillshots. Her flame chompers are point and click, you don't even have to aim with zap, you just press it and it homes in on the enemy, and her ultimate is also a point to and click, homing in on targets
Oh wait, you're just condescending.
Critmaster Garen2 votesActually, no.
Briandead right clicking? Because Jinx doesn't have any skillshots. Her flame chompers are point and click, you don't even have to aim with zap, you just press it and it homes in on the enemy, abd he ultimate is also a point to and click, homing in on targets
Oh wait, you're just condescending.
so just because she has skillshots doesnt mean she cant be overtuned as fuck to the point where it doesnt matter?
its not just me being condescending. when you have the feeling that "adc are garbage" its actually just you having to relearn them when theyre balanced as opposed to them just being overpowered as shit.
why do you think they were hit like that in the first place?
afmghost1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uEvj4Ar2,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-27T17:16:17.335+0000)
so just because she has skillshots doesnt mean she cant be overtuned as fuck to the point where it doesnt matter?
I'm saying you forget that a good player uses these skills. It's not "braindead right clicking."
its not just me being condescending. when you have the feeling that "adc are garbage" its actually just you having to relearn them when theyre balanced as opposed to them just being overpowered as shit.
It's not worth relearning if the final product is inadequate.
why do you think they were hit like that in the first place?
Because Riot changes things for the sake of changing things. And the few times they try to fix legitimate problems, they go way too far.
ankoanko191 votesActually, no.
Briandead right clicking? Because Jinx doesn't have any skillshots. Her flame chompers are point and click, you don't even have to aim with zap, you just press it and it homes in on the enemy, abd he ultimate is also a point to and click, homing in on targets
Oh wait, you're just condescending.
you misunderstood. No ADC kited when they were good. Literally get shielded for 4000 hp while critting over and over again. Be 5 items while everyone else is at 3, it was just unfair. For being late game scalers they shouldnt be in their lategame status when it is midgame.
afmghost1 votesyou misunderstood. No ADC kited when they were good. Literally get shielded for 4000 hp while critting over and over again. Be 5 items while everyone else is at 3, it was just unfair. For being late game scalers they shouldnt be in their lategame status when it is midgame.
That's why you gank them early and gank them often. Countering them also works too.
ankoanko192 votesThat's why you gank them early and gank them often. Countering them also works too.
No dude it was unfair as fuck. People did fucking gank bot all the time, the game was literally centered around bot. Why do you think people complained so much about " better bot wins"? Im actually glad that late game scalers actually have to get to LATE GAME to do their bidding not fuckint be at 3 items with only 150 cs and 3 kills at 20 min.
Pika Fox2 votesYou played into a leo brand kill lane. You arent supposed to get a lot of farm or extend at all, thats a lane you need to play under tower. And its not like its somehow new this patch/last patch; you could always do this. Play safe, huddle tower, get jungle preesure to keep dives at bay and farm safely. Leona falls off a rock at level 11 or so, and her powerspike is level 2-8ish, and brand cant take towers fast enough to end quickly.
afmghost1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uEvj4Ar2,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-06-27T16:06:46.875+0000)
You played into a leo brand kill lane. You arent supposed to get a lot of farm or extend at all, thats a lane you need to play under tower. And its not like its somehow new this patch/last patch; you could always do this. Play safe, huddle tower, get jungle preesure to keep dives at bay and farm safely. Leona falls off a rock at level 11 or so, and her powerspike is level 2-8ish, and brand cant take towers fast enough to end quickly.
Suppose your jungler has his head up his ass?
Pika Fox1 votesSucks to be you, youre going to be a free kill once leo feels tanky enough to dive. Pretty much what leo does. Going to need a good support that makes leona feel like diving is too costly and play back enough that brand cant harass you enough to make leo feel more ballsy. Just play safe and get exp, and CS what you can. Youre going to be behind, but youll scale vetter and they wont be able to end with their advantage as easily.
Astorine1 votesI think i remember you, or someone in a similar position. Then brand proceeded to land a single Q and secure a kill on me a bunch of times.
FrozenFrostFyre1 votesI use to be a jinx main and I really feel for you, I think I've not played a single crit adc in soloq since it would just cause me and my team to lose. Just been abusing brand and mf for the freelo in plat1 mmr. Honestly this meta feels nicer not having the entire game hinge around botlane forcing other lanes to roam bot constantly. I finally get to take a breath and just 2v2 or at most 2v3 with their jungler I'm not getting done constantly under tower by 4-5 people. I think crit adcs need somewhat of a buff but I'd prefer them adding ie alternatives along with reworking ie again(doubling crit on a no crit item is way too gimicy) since now the build paths suck really hard which is the biggest deterrent.
Atmosphere1 votesThe post itself does highlight an issue that needs to be looked at, but good god that title is misleading.
