Because your matchmaking system is godly

zaqat··84 votes·2,659 views

I was one game away from my promos, my brother was one win away from his promos to GOLD, fucking GOLD, but guess what, we had a jungler, that wasn't even premade with anyone in the team, no masteries, no runes, i checked his profile, he is UNfuckingRANKED, why???? he started running down mid, going to every lane giving kills, dying like a billion times in the enemy jungle.. he is unranked, in a S1 game, and guess what, the enemy team was making fun of us... your matchmaking system is trash, yesterday i won a game against 2 unranked players, they were trash, i don't care if they were in my team or the enemy team, because I know one thing, your stupid matchmaking system is unfair to everybody, every game is one sided, 30-5, 40-15, whoever trolls, whether he was in my team or the opposing team, i report them, yet i know well they won't be punished..guys, enough.. i swear it's tiring to win and work so hard to reach a certain level to get matched with punks and trollers, and fall down...

EDIT: I am not upset because i was matched with higher ranked player, I am upset because in a silver 1 game, 1 win away from promos for my brother, we were matched with an unranked player, he didn't pick masteries no runes, it was his second game in ranked, and his first season.

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Nea10429 votes

{quoted} your matchmaking system is trash, yesterday i won a game against 2 unranked players, they were trash, i don't care if they were in my team or the enemy team, because I know one thing, your stupid matchmaking system is unfair to everybody, every game is one sided

Yes. Their system is a total shame: it's intentionally unbalanced in order to easily get an average 50% win-loss no matters what. What's worse, they deny the evidence. They won't fix it, because most people don't even notice that, being confident that winning 50-15 is skill, and losing 15-50 is just due to some game mistakes.

Disembark6 votes

Yeah ur right man. No one has ever climbed in the history of league ever.

Riot enforces a 50% win rate. Lol.

15-50 doesn't mean bad matchmaking. Lol. Just means the game snowballed in one direction due to descisions people made and since SoloQ is a fiesta and the meta is snowbally the game just goes out of control and people don't use their eyeballs and keep getting caught.

If the game snowballed in the other direction it would be the same shit with the EXACT same teams. League is a game of moments and one mistake can change the whole course of a game.

LXII10 votes

I see this argument a lot, so allow me to retort (Sam Jackson voice).

Yes, REALLY GOOD players will always climb, no arguing that. Know why? Because literally 90% of League players are low elo. This means legit Master/Challenger tier players will cake walk it right to their rank time and time again. But what about players that are only Gold or Plat rank on their best day? These guys (myself included) can not, under any circumstances, carry 4 regular feeders or even 1 literal int feeder/troll in a snowball meta. This ends up with the same people getting challenger or master and the rest of us fishing for scraps and praying to every god out there that we can get decent games on the road to Gold/Plat. Yeah, we're not insanely good, so we're not getting Challenger. But it shouldn't be a season long grind to get to the rank we've proved we belong at every season.

charge attack1 votes

How do they know which rank you "belong at" without playing many games? This is a team game. It rewards consistency.

It's absolutely ludicrous to think that you should win every game you perform well in because there are 4 other team mates. What about the people performing well on the enemy team? Should they lose instantly because you did well in lane?

Why should you win if you perform well but your team mates don't? That'd be BS because the enemy team has players performing well who also deserve the win. If your team mates aren't doing well/you're not winning games, its almost always partially your fault. If you think it isn't then you need to open your eyeballs.

You deserve whatever ELO you're in, especially with 100+ games played.

I deserve my elo too, I know I'm bad but I don't moan and whine like a little bitch that my team mates are holding me back.

LXII4 votes

"If your team doesn't do well you don't win"

"Teammates can't hold you back"

You're gonna need to pick one stance and stick with.

I won't even bother replying to the rest until you learn how to speak to other humans without being a scumbag about it.

charge attack1 votes

Both are true.

If your team doesn't do well, and you do well, explain WHY you deserve to win over the other team who has players doing well. In fact they "deserve to win" more than you because they as a group are playing better than your team.

At the same time, TEAMS DONT HOLD you back. Yeah, a few games might be decided by your team mates regardless of how well you play, but ranked rewards consistency. If you go even every game and have the exact same impact as your laner every game. That means you're at your elo and you will win half, lose half.

If some games you hard carry and some games you feed, you will probably still win half, lose half.

However if you CONSISTENTLY outperform your lane (killing/pressuring isn't necessarily out performing, I'm not impressed if a lane bully can kill/outcs their opponent - depends on what you do with that pressure is what counts), then you will climb over time.

At 100 games you're at the elo you deserve most likely.

You're as good as any other Gold 3 top main IN TOTAL. You might be a beast laner and suck elsewhere, or you might have really good game sense/teamfighting but suck in lane.

Regardless of the cause, your team mates do NOT hold you back.

This has been proven time and time again. My friend who got Plat 1 last season and pretty much does whatever the fk on his smurf and still easily gets it to plat (from low Silver).

Is it because he's somehow more lucky? No, he's just better at the game.

If you play in a bronze 3 game you'll probably roflstomp 70% of games.

LXII4 votes

Yeah nobody cares about your made up friend. You finally got to Gold after years now you think you know the game. Move along peasant.

Done replying to your long winded "I'm better than you even though you're ranked higher" posts. Lol

skyskee0081 votes

YOU finally got Gold after years and you think Rito is holding you back. And you try and flaunt Gold 3 when you've been playing ranked since S4. Rofl.

I know I'm bad but I don't whine and moan like a little bitch that my teams holding me back from my "true" rank.

Its easy to blame Riot and your team instead of admitting that you're shit.

I might not be better at the game but I have a better attitude about climbing.

LXII2 votes

You logged into your other account to upvote your stuff and forgot to switch back before commenting. Lol

But "finally got gold"? Been Gold literally every season since I started. Which was actually pre-season 5, not 4. Unlike you who very obviously got boosted this year, averaging like 3 kills and 10 deaths on all your champs.

Lastly, both my alt accounts get Plat within 50 games, MMR and Matchmaking actually ARE a hindrance. You just don't know that because you're trash, so losing isn't a shock to you.

Not gonna continue this with you though, it's getting kinda sad.

skyskee0081 votes

Lmao, it's funny because I haven't upvoted once on any of my comments while you're downvoting with your alt account while upvoting yourself.

No "random dude" is reading a thread this far down and systematically upvoting/downvoting. Fucking top kek.

Season 4: Bronze. op.gg

Sure buddy I got "boosted".

Maybe I just don't play for KDA so I can show my friends "look guys my KDA IS SO GOOD but my team feeds". Lmao.

Also this account is higher ranked than you, which seems to be your main "argument".

I don't care about upvotes and downvotes, so you should stop spending time switching accounts to upvote yourself and downvote me. I am just baffled that this level of idiocy exists.

Your rank doesn't show me how smart you are.

The fact that you can't comprehend how a team game works and want to blame matchmaking on why you're stuck in Gold is the reason you're brain dead, not your gameplay. Like I don't care about your league skill, you are STUPID, as a person.

LankPants4 votes

Their system is a total shame: it's intentionally unbalanced in order to easily get an average 50% win-loss no matters what.

No it's not. It's quite common at higher ranks to see people with significantly higher than 50% winrates. You'll just never see them down at bronze for obvious reasons.

Karfuss9 votes

Because the system cannot unbalance and stack odds beyond Diamond and Challenger.

That is the point where you enter a smaller pool of players, experience longer queue times and cannot have anyone unranked/far below your rank in any game.

LankPants1 votes

I'm not playing in Diamond or Challenger, I'm only in high Plat but it's more common for players to have greater than 50% winrates than lower than 50% winrates, because Platinum is above average. To actually climb to Plat without a greater than 50% winrate is almost impossible.

I personally have a 53% winrate, not that you can see this because Riot neutered op.gg with their garbage API changes, but playing in Plat it wasn't uncommon to see players with 55+% WRs.

The only thing holding your WR back over a large stretch of games is your own play. The idea that Riot enforces a 50% WR is something that lower ranked players tell themselves so they don't have to look at their play and actually improve.

Aimléss5 votes

Bro, you know how many plat players I've seen that are just plat because they were plat (probably boosted) last year and Riot gives them a free ride back as long as they can keep like a 48-49% WR? Do you know how many people are low silver level in gold that just got lucky in placements, played a couple games, got gold and went back to normals?

This system is very luck based, that is a fact, sure some people earn it, but some people don't. Stop thinking you're hot shit just cause you're plat.

Hell, I just saw a guy who laughed at me cause he was G3 with a 55% WR, but played like 60 games. As if 5 more wins than losses meant something.

LankPants1 votes

Do you know how many people are low silver level in gold that just got lucky in placements, played a couple games, got gold and went back to normals?

A minority because that requires you to go at least 7/3, which is quite rare by luck alone. Almost everybody in the skill range of silver will go 6/4, 5/5 or 4/6 because that's how averages work.

I also say this as an extreme outlier, at the start of the season I went 2/8 and placed G3 (from 100LP G1 last season) with G4 MMR. I didn't get fucked over by the matchmaking system, I got unlucky and played poorly. This is what small samples can do though, for most players they won't but there'll always be outliers.

This system is very luck based, that is a fact, sure some people earn it, but some people don't. Stop thinking you're hot shit just cause you're plat.

It's only luckbased over very small periods of time. Over longer periods luck is actually weighed in your favour. An example of this is AFKs, if you're a player who never AFKs then just by statistics you should see more AFKs on the enemy team, there's 4 slots for them on your team and 5 on the enemy team, that's a 56% chance that the AFKs are on the enemy team.

The same logic works for feeders, boosted players and well above average players who carry games. Obviously the last one is detrimental to you but if you're actually an above average player for your elo you should offset this anyway by giving your team a much greater than 55% chance of having a strong player.

Hell, I just saw a guy who laughed at me cause he was G3 with a 55% WR, but played like 60 games. As if 5 more wins than losses meant something.

You're hitting on my point here inadvertently. I don't give a fuck if you're +5 wins, what I care about is the long term. 500 games at a 52% winrate is better than 50 at a 55% winrate. Obviously very extreme winrates don't factor into this as much, a 90% winrate is a 90% winrate regardless of games played for example.

When people say that match making's rigged against them they're just making an excuse for poor play. There's no rigging of the matchmaking system, it favours you.

I just like to call out what amounts to whining about nothing when I see it in hopes that one person will understand what they're doing and use it as an opportunity to actually improve. I see so many people mindlessly grinding in whatever rank and not actually looking to improve their play because they blame some other situation that they can't control. Just to make this completely clear this doesn't apply to the guy with a 45% winrate over 20 games, it applies to the guy with a 45% winrate over 200 or more games.

Aimléss2 votes

I agree with what your saying for the most part, except for 2 points.

  1. Going 7-3 in placements does require a lot of luck but it isn't so crazy that it is winning the lottery. If you are supposed to go 6-4, for example your chance of winning each game is 60%, now your chance of winning 1 game over 6-4 to be 7-3 is 40%, that isn't that unlikely. Even for a player that should go 4-6, they still have like a 10% chance of going 7-3 it's not that unheard of. And these first 10 games mean soooooo much, I was G5, went 3-7 in placements and started B2 this season. Imagine if I started S5, Those extra wins could've changed so many of my teams, and any losing streak that knocked me down a rank wouldn't of mattered. That 1 extra win in placements could've changed everything who knows where I'd be, luck is a huge factor.

  2. And luck isn't always in your favor, some people get their luck early, get gold, plat and it makes them think they're better than they are. Some of them just stay there in their barely earned rank and play normals, which really disgraces our rank system tbh. And some of them keep playing and eventually feed till they fall where they are supposed to be, screwing over everyone in their path. Those 2 things are literally the WORST things about this ranking system.

LankPants1 votes

Going 7-3 in placements does require a lot of luck but it isn't so crazy that it is winning the lottery. If you are supposed to go 6-4, for example your chance of winning each game is 60%, now your chance of winning 1 game over 6-4 to be 7-3 is 40%, that isn't that unlikely. Even for a player that should go 4-6, they still have like a 10% chance of going 7-3 it's not that unheard of.

Going 7/3 also doesn't guarantee gold. If you don't win on blue side and/or don't win games early in your placements you can still get S1-2 from 7/3. To guarantee gold you need 8/2, 7/3 is just the minimum score that can get you gold off a fresh account.

And these first 10 games mean soooooo much, I was G5, went 3-7 in placements and started B2 this season. Imagine if I started S5, Those extra wins could've changed so many of my teams, and any losing streak that knocked me down a rank wouldn't of mattered. That 1 extra win in placements could've changed everything who knows where I'd be, luck is a huge factor.

The change to your MMR isn't as big as you think. You're not on a fresh acount, so the system doesn't massively shift your MMR per game. 1 extra win would have moved your MMR from silver 5 (most likely) to high silver 5, maybe silver 4.

As I said I went 2/8 in placements and got back to where I was quite easily. It's completely doable.

And luck isn't always in your favor, some people get their luck early, get gold, plat and it makes them think they're better than they are. Some of them just stay there in their barely earned rank and play normals, which really disgraces our rank system tbh. And some of them keep playing and eventually feed till they fall where they are supposed to be, screwing over everyone in their path. Those 2 things are literally the WORST things about this ranking system.

On average it is. If you play 200 games and have a low winrate it's not because of luck.

RoddyMcFly2 votes

{quoted}

your matchmaking system is trash, yesterday i won a game against 2 unranked players, they were trash, i don't care if they were in my team or the enemy team, because I know one thing, your stupid matchmaking system is unfair to everybody, every game is one sided

Yes. Their system is a total shame: it's intentionally unbalanced in order to easily get an average 50% win-loss no matters what. What's worse, they deny the evidence. They won't fix it, because most people don't even notice that, being confident that winning 50-15 is skill, and losing 15-50 is just due to some game mistakes.

SwiftKitten8816 votes

what are you complaining about? our matching make system ensures that games are evenly balanced we give each team 1 bronze one unranked 2 silver and a plat... so it's perfectly balanced and if you get on a win steak.. don't worry!!! We have to balance it so you can maintain your balanced 50% winrate by us giving you completely moronic teammates that u have no chance in hell of carrying

--Riot Games

seriously riot i love your game but the OP is dead on...matching REALLY needs work....

Karfuss7 votes

Because Riot enforces a 50% win rate. I guarantee you that if you lost 5 games in a row, you will not have an unranked individual in your next game. The more you win, the more unbalanced matchmaking becomes.

This system failed in every game that implemented it (see Overwatch and Heroes of the Storm "2.ooooh shit RELAUNCH"). You aren't beating other players to prove you are better, you are fighting a system that purposely stacks odds against you.

ˉˉˉˉˉˉ4 votes

When I was unranked, I got initially placed in PLATINUM games... sure I won some, lost some, but I gotta say that was hella weird..

OyddAWqJ5r4 votes

I wouldn't really talk bad on unranked players in a Gold promo game. When I was unranked doing my placements I was being matched with Golds the whole time and ended up seeding into Plat 5.

Unranked doesn't mean "> Bronze 5" it means "indeterminate skill level". Meaning they could be anything from Bronze level to Plat level or beyond but the system is placing them based on their normal game statistics and previous placement matches.

Karfuss5 votes

And what gives the right for someone with an "indeterminate skill level" to enter into games they may, or may not, have the skill to be in?

Start from Bronze, like everyone else did, before placements/tiers/leagues were even a thing.

OyddAWqJ5r2 votes

Bronze? Wasn't 1200 MMR Silver by default?

Karfuss1 votes

Not the point, or the question posed.

I have no idea what the exact MMR equivalent to a rank is, but I know for a fact that it wouldn't be the higher Silver divisions, Gold or Platinum. Ranks and divisions where unranked are popping up in games.

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

Yeah looked it up, 1200 was Silver V season 2 onwards. Therefore noone had to start in Bronze except season 1 players when Bronze 1 went up to 1250.

In any case, I've made the climb through Silver to Plat on an uh... "alt" account before and holy hell was it an atrocious experience. Everyone in Silver belongs there and I do not wish that experience on anyone if they can bypass it by good performance in placements. I can only imagine the hell that is Bronze.

Not to offend any Silvers out there, but I'm sure you know what I mean by it.

Fox Illusion 3 votes

Rank and all that really doesnt matter. Example im smurfing and can still lose games. Master yi one trick doesn't get master yi? get prepared for a 6v4 because that player will be 100% useless on whatever hardever champion he picked.

Graceful Owl16 votes

his main issue is playing with people in their initial 10 promotional games; placements. and as a response to the original poster. ahem: you are silver 1. you are not in an incredibly high leveled game. your MMR is not great. placement games put "unranked" players into a variety of skill level games, with and against players. to assess how they perform in the bracket. when you were unranked, you likely played a few high silver games as well.

the fact this guy refused to use runes/masteries and trolled/intentionally fed has nothing to do with his unranked status. scum bags will be scumbags.

10 fps3 votes

Or maybe he just got lvl 30 and doesn't know better.

PixelzGr3 votes

i played a flex game and got a new 30lvl player with 2 games of ranked top that had no runes or masteries and tp with heal when i asked him whyand where are his runes he said 'i dont use them cause i dont know what they do lol '(i won that match)

10 fps1 votes

Yeah I don't know why I got downvoted. If an unranked player is "trolling" there's a high chance that they just don't know the game. Especially since it takes a lot less games to get to 30 now.

Clementine3 votes

Low diamond and I've never seen "unfair" matchmaking in solo queue (flex is different).

Nea1049 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2573564430/234677362?tab=overview

You just lost a ranked 13-40 in 21 minutes. So you must be hugely sarcastic ;)

LXII1 votes

Without sounding rude, this doesn't really concern you. Most (like 90%) of League players are super low elo, which is why our games are a coinflip. Once people are at your level it's a little more ironed out and there are significantly less morons to be thrown into your games. I'm sure there's still plenty of "how are you even Diamond" moments, but it can't be anything like low elo games. Lol

Wasabi Kitty1 votes

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Without sounding rude, this doesn't really concern you. Most (like 90%) of League players are super low elo, which is why our games are a coinflip. Once people are at your level it's a little more ironed out and there are significantly less morons to be thrown into your games. I'm sure there's still plenty of "how are you even Diamond" moments, but it can't be anything like low elo games. Lol

They're a coinflip simply because they don't know how to control games and have enough of an impact. Anyone that truly belongs in a higher rating will have little issue leaving bronze or silver. People that stay in bronze and silver aren't there because they didn't get a lucky coinflip, they're there because they're bad. Watching silver players is just painful most of the time. Their pick/ban phase is awful (yes, it is part of the game) and they love to pick champions they aren't able to play well. The item builds are mess, they have no idea how to move around the map, they aren't able to force fights and make plays when they have the chance to do so, they're bad in every facet of the game. And then they don't improve because rather than identifying the problems in their game and working on it, they instead complain about matchmaking.

LXII1 votes

Oh I'm not saying they aren't bad players, that much is obvious. I'm saying there are multiple degrees of bad and the matchmaking does a terrible job of putting equally bad players in the same game. There's a reason that one Silver top laner will obliterate another Silver top laner and make it look easy. Maybe the bot laners in this game are just as good as the opposing top laner that is destroying theirs, but that matters very little when that top is already 8-0 at 10 minutes and they can't kill their laners because they're at least smart enough to not just walk in and die 8 times.

When 90% of players are in low elo is makes it a little harder to match things up, so I understand the issue but it's undeniable that it exists.

LankPants3 votes

You're not playing in S1 just because you're playing with a S1. The system takes the average of your two MMRs and matches you based on that. In this case you can see that red team, who has the higher MMR is entirely S2, blue team has to be lower MMR than this due to how the system works. If you look at your team you have two people at much higher rank than S2, presumably higher MMR so the system needs to pull someone of lower MMR to balance the game. In this case pulled a new player with an MMR ~silver 4 to balance your teams MMR. It's unfortunate that he fed, but it's not the fault of matchmaking.

zaqat3 votes

I am not upset because i was playing against higher ranks, I asked why is an unranked in a silver 1 game.

LankPants2 votes

You weren't even playing a S1 game, it was low S2 at best, realistically S3.

zaqat2 votes

In the post, I said that my brother was silver 1, even though, what is an unranked player doing there, he was trolling anyway.

LankPants4 votes

Duo queue takes THE AVERAGE of your MMRs. It doesn't matter if your brother was silver 1, because you're not. The average of your MMRs is about S3, hence you were playing in a S3 game, not a S1 game. It's not rocket science.

DevlinCrow3 votes

This is why I stopped bothering with ranked.

I did climb quickly, Bronze 2 0lp to Silver 4 49lp in 124 games. You do climb but it's BS how matchmaking works, just not worth it.

Stuff like what OP is saying is real and while it is, I'll never indulge in ranked properly.

Not like a few people realising the BS is troublesome to Riot though :P

Mortroxx2 votes

UNfuckingRANKED

You're unranked too, mate. That's why you get matched with other unrankeds. The system takes the average of your two MMRs, not simply your brothers.

zaqat1 votes

Silver 4, climber from bronze 5

Mortroxx1 votes

I can literally hover over your profile and see that you're unranked, its possible the systems glitched, but i doubt it. http://prntscr.com/g8zb3c

BIue Monk2 votes

Haha but there are very complicated mathematics behind this xD I'm sure an openoffice spreadsheet with linear programming would perform better xD

Praying4GoodTeam2 votes

i get unranked teammates in gold 3 game and i talk abt this in boards and riot dick suckers support riot and say i lost games thats why i get bad teammate

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