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To the "I'm Playing for Fun" excuse

CurS1VE··2 votes·2,985 views

Is it fun losing? Seriously? When you say "I playing for fun" You are essentially saying that you doing whatever you want no matter how it impacts the team and YES there are other ppl on your team besides you, is more important.

You playing "For Fun" and INTing in Norms and making the Game just not enjoyable isn't fun, I'm sorry to say this but if you've ever said "Its Norms it's for Fun" Or "I'm picking what I want for fun", I just gotta question what you define as "Fun".

Personally, I like Winning, there isn't any more fun in a Game then winning it. Regardless of Norms or Ranked, there maybe things I maybe testing or trying out but the objective is always to win or at least should be to win, right?

To so blatantly say that you would rather Lose from minute 2 until the other team completely rofl-stomps and snowballs off of you isn't fun is it? I mean as a Support I'm all for ppl picking Off Meta stuff if they wanna test it out, that's fine, heck I play off meta support roles too but I don't ever play with the purpose of doing whatever I want just because I can!

This is the problem with the statement "For Fun", you are literally saying that you are basically planning on inting, but because you think your Champ is fun it doesn't matter to you, you are ok with inting cause you got the Champ you wanted, you are ok with the rest of your team being miserable because HEY YOU got your Champ that you enjoy! So that's all that REALLY matters right?!

I'm not saying you have to be so try hard or whateva, but when you are playing with other ppl on your team you should try and understand that they are trying to have fun too and them trying to carry you (who is playing "for fun") IS NOT FAIR!

If you want to play "FOR FUN" Why not just play bots? You can literally get your champ and steam roll for fun all day and not worry about other people at all! If you are playing FOR FUN then that should be your mode of choice!

If you are the type of player to go to norms, you hover something like let's say Jax or Aatrox, ok cool, and then when it gets to you to pick your champ you pick something completely different like Braum Top, or Yummi Top because you are "Playing for fun", no man that's not for fun, that's literally you trolling your team mates and me wasting 15-20min or however long it takes us to surrender isn't fair to me or anyone else on our team AND it's not fair to the ppl playing against us either! These guys could be in the game trying to practice for Ranked or for any other sort of reason and instead they are met with something that is a waste of time for them BUT HEY! YOU got to pick your "FOR FUN" champ!

Winning IS FUN! If you aren't having Fun while winning then I have to seriously question your mental! AND if you are having fun while LOSING?! Then just wow, I'd recommend you invest in a Therapist ASAP

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BigBellBrute18 votes

Actually playing for fun means I'm trying to win but if I don't, I'm not going to be a whiney little puke about it.

If you must win to have fun, then playing the game isn't fun on its own and you should quit and play a game you will have fun playing on its own.

CurS1VE1 votes

Spoken like a Real Loser!

The Game exists for there to be a Winning team and a losing team, it's not a Sandbox where there is no winner.

Why play with other ppl at all if the attitude you have is "Just to play" You could do that in bots (OR in PRactice!) and play whatever you want! Seriously just think about what you are saying "I play to have fun because the game should be played for fun" Yeah, that's what bots are for, you can screw off in there and do whatever you want and not impact 9 other peoples enjoyment

The point is YOU are NOT the only person playing! And the Game doesn't revolve around your perspective of what Fun is!

If you enjoy being Bad, then hey that's all you man, if you enjoy INTing and running around and never CSing then hey that's you, cool beans, BUT when you take your mentality into a Game with 9 other people who all are playing to win then you are actually pretty negatively impacting the game experience for others.

I mean honestly, if you are just playing to waste time then take your ass into Practice mode and screw off there, you can literally do whatever you want any time you want and have every cheat in the game basically! Taking into Norms or Ranked with that mentality of basically "Whatever" is bullshit and it's not healthy in any way shape or form!

Why do I or the rest of the players who are legit trying to win and perform have to be your prisoner? That isn't fair! Why don't you play practice? Or bots? If you are playing to play? Obviously you are lying with your premise of "Playing to play" Cause if what you said were true you wouldn't subject 9 other ppl to your bullshit

saphireflame1236 votes

"Spoken like a Real Loser!"

Your whole argument is

Like, just because you lost you have to complain about it and get upset. That's what "Real Losers" do.

CurS1VE1 votes

who said i lost? i don't remember saying that at all

actually i win pretty frequently because i enjoy learning strategy and practicing those strategies.

saphireflame1233 votes

Complaining about people having fun and doing out-of-the-ordinary things making you lose?

Yeah. I think so.

CurS1VE1 votes

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Complaining about people having fun and doing out-of-the-ordinary things making you lose?

Yeah. I think so.

welp you are wrong sir, has nothing to do with any game i've played actually, can check my op.gg and all of my games, i haven't actually had any of these things in my games. so you are basically talking out of your ass

saphireflame1232 votes

So now you are gonna be toxic to me?

You sure sound like a great sport, kid.

And why complain about it if you haven't encountered it?

LEAVE IT ALONE IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO YOU

saphireflame1232 votes

If this hasn't happened to you, then you have NO FREAKIN IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

Zeyphel3 votes

What are you trying to prove by tryharding to win a normal?

AIQ1 votes

So I like winning, just going to lay that out there. Winning is fun, and playing unique champions in ways that make sense for victory is fun.

So while I appreciate your response more than others.

Actually playing for fun means I'm trying to win but if I don't, I'm not going to be a whiney little puke about it.

I don't think this is the interpretation the OP or myself have on the matter.

The most common example I use is that of a basketball game. Like League Basket ball requires 5 players, each must work together to win.

If you were on a basketball court and decided that throwing the ball at the goal as hard as you can was "fun" what do you think would happen?

Do you think they'd laugh and say that looks fun let's do that too!? Or kick you off the court?

Likewise, a player that deliberately trolls in league for the sake of fun is my complaint.

Building full AP Renekton is not playing to optimally win, nor is jungle Soraka. It can be argued that doing something that makes sense like Jungle Karthus, but I want to stick to the more sever scenarios.

So as a "for fun" player, to where do you draw the line? What is "Trolling" vs "Having fun"?

Do you think that if one player wants to win that your fun overrides his desire to win?

Do you think this applies to ranked as well?

Usually when I ask this to a person they are in an irate mood and I get banter as a response. Hopefully you can provide real insight as our mindsets do conflict.

Snowbrand1 votes

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So I like winning, just going to lay that out there. Winning is fun, and playing unique champions in ways that make sense for victory is fun.

So while I appreciate your response more than others.

I don't think this is the interpretation the OP or myself have on the matter.

The most common example I use is that of a basketball game. Like League Basket ball requires 5 players, each must work together to win.

If you were on a basketball court and decided that throwing the ball at the goal as hard as you can was "fun" what do you think would happen?

Do you think they'd laugh and say that looks fun let's do that too!? Or kick you off the court?

Building full AP Renekton is not playing to optimally win, nor is jungle Soraka. It can be argued that doing something that makes sense like Jungle Karthus, but I want to stick to the more sever scenarios.

So as a "for fun" player, to where do you draw the line? What is "Trolling" vs "Having fun"?

Do you think that if one player wants to win that your fun overrides his desire to win?

Do you think this applies to ranked as well?

Usually when I ask this to a person they are in an irate mood and I get banter as a response. Hopefully you can provide real insight as our mindsets do conflict.

The problem is that there already is a simple answer to OPs desire to play games where everybody try their hardest to win and that's ranked games. They were created for that simple reason, competitive games.

I could play jg soraka in a normal game just to see how that's like, but I wouldn't do it in a ranked game because they are ment to be tryhard.

Your statement: Do you think that if one player wants to win that your fun overrides his desire to win?

could also be changed to: Do you think that if one player wants to have fun that your desire to win overrides his desire to have fun?

AIQ1 votes

So you do think that stops at ranked? Good to know.

I don't. Even in a normal, I've been there, I just needed that 1 win to get me going to bounce me back. Instead I was greeted with 4 trolls that intensified their efforts to make the game miserable once the game begun and dodging was no longer an option. I feel that regardless of how fun it would be if someone really wanted to win, I would do all I could to change my course of actions to comply with that. Since this should've been our goal to start.

In a situation where "fun" is classified as a jungle Soraka, or stealing camps or creeps from an ally, fun does not override 4 others desire to win. Because at the end of the day, people rarely feel bad for winning, but people almost always feel bad for losing. "Fun" should be conducted exclusively in a party that agrees to it, not in a party where 1 or 2 more members determine something "questionable" too much.

Of course what is questionable is a gray area so I will stick only to extreme scenarios you and I can agree is trolling.

Snowbrand1 votes

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So you do think that stops at ranked? Good to know.

I don't. Even in a normal, I've been there, I just needed that 1 win to get me going to bounce me back. Instead I was greeted with 4 trolls that intensified their efforts to make the game miserable once the game begun and dodging was no longer an option. I feel that regardless of how fun it would be if someone really wanted to win, I would do all I could to change my course of actions to comply with that. Since this should've been our goal to start.

In a situation where "fun" is classified as a jungle Soraka, or stealing camps or creeps from an ally, fun does not override 4 others desire to win. Because at the end of the day, people rarely feel bad for winning, but people almost always feel bad for losing. "Fun" should be conducted exclusively in a party that agrees to it, not in a party where 1 or 2 more members determine something "questionable" too much.

Of course what is questionable is a gray area so I will stick only to extreme scenarios you and I can agree is trolling.

Yes, pretty much and I think that's what the majority of league players think. You still play to win in normals, but you play it for the game itself and less for just winning in normals.

We are not talking about trolls or trolling here. The Ops post wasn't about trolling, but people whos biggest goal wasn't to win in normal games. Not what u mean that 1 win got u to bounce back? To get your mentality back for ranked? Then it might be better to do other things to get your mentality back for ranked instead of playing normals. I play normals to get my mentals back for ranked, but I don't need to win to do that. Just playing normals are relaxing and take away any pressure.

Yes, jungle soraka was an extreme example, but I think normals should be the perfect place to try out and experiment with a lot of things like that if you aren't intentionally trolling ofc.

But for the most part there isn't 4 people tryharding in normals. Most people I have played with seemed pretty chill and relaxed about it. They enjoy the game more then only the winning part. Seeing it that way would mean I could only play my best champs in normals, since otherwise I wouldn't tryhard enough.

But I do try to win games, just that I don't give it as much thought or effort as a ranked game.

Again, we aren't talking about trolling here according to OP, but people not tryharding in normals.

AIQ1 votes

Well then it would turn out you are not the person I'm looking for, thanks for the responses.

This is the type of person I'm looking for

You playing "For Fun" and INTing in Norms and making the Game just not enjoyable isn't fun, I'm sorry to say this but if you've ever said "Its Norms it's for Fun" Or "I'm picking what I want for fun", I just gotta question what you define as "Fun".

One that would do this regardless of who is annoyed/hurt/ held hostage in the process.

Thanks bro.

Snowbrand1 votes

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Well then it would turn out you are not the person I'm looking for, thanks for the responses.

This is the type of person I'm looking for

One that would do this regardless of who is annoyed/hurt/ held hostage in the process.

Thanks bro.

Yea, I guess not.

Nowhere did I say inting was okay nor trolling. What I'm against is OPs idea that normals biggest goal is/should be to win. That's for rankedfirst ande foremost. You are also free to try your hardest in normals, if you do you will climb and get matched against players of your level. But don't expect everyone to play normals to tryhard or only play for winning games.

You are twisting my words when you say that it would be to delibarately hurt/hold hostage. Lets say I play a new champ for the first time in normals, that would be me not playing optimal. I wouldn't do that in ranked, bcz it would lower my chances to win and climb. In normals I don't care as much if I win or lose so playing a new champ or a fun build would be ok for me like AP pantheon or something like that, that I wouldn't do in a ranked game. That's what I mean, not to intentionally throw or troll games like you think it means.

AIQ1 votes

Apologies, just want to clarify what I was saying.

"You are not the person I was looking for..." therefore "You are not a person that would do this regardless of who is annoyed/hurt/ held hostage in the process."

I was making no attempts to twist your words or insult you. I was merely identifying who I was looking for. There are people that do that and that's the person I'm trying to find.

Snowbrand1 votes

{quoted}

Apologies, just want to clarify what I was saying.

"You are not the person I was looking for..." therefore "You are not a person that would do this regardless of who is annoyed/hurt/ held hostage in the process."

I was making no attempts to twist your words or insult you. I was merely identifying who I was looking for. There are people that do that and that's the person I'm trying to find.

Ah okay, I wasn't sure what you ment, np! Yes, and I think most people in normals play for the intent to win even if it isn't their primary reason. Like my premades today played like a mordekaiser nautilus botlane for example because they thought that would be fun and interesting to try. That didn't mean they were trolling, but it's probably nothing they would do in ranked because it would lower their chances to win since in ranked their primary focus would be to win rather then to try new stuff, not optimal stuff.

AIQ1 votes

Yeah, even I as a "try hard" am fine with that.

Zlera6 votes

I honestly disagree. For me "fun" is playing off meta, like shen jungle or nocturne support, while also playing a off meta build. Winning for me isnt fun, but the game in itself is fun.

CurS1VE2 votes

then you should respect the other 4 ppl on your team and take your noc support off meta build into bots.

If you don't want to win nor want to play to win then essentially you are putting your Team and yes this is a team based game, in a disadvantage for the 1 and 10 chance that your champ works. Really it's not fun and basically you are trolling.

Off Meta doesn't mean troll, let's get that straight. Shen jg isn't troll but noc support is because of how noc scales and needs a lot of items that are high cost to be effective.

Shen JG works because shen is built to have a lot of impact around the map and in team fights so if you were to play him jg that would be off meta for sure but wouldn't be troll because you still have a team advantage with your pick.

Noc is completely different then shen even though both have ulti's that can impact around the map, Noc needs a lot more to be effective and then putting him in a role where he will statistically get much less Gold means even if you get ahead you will still be way behind.

So yeah, that's just you not knowing when you are trolling and when you aren't.

Winning isn't fun? Spoken like a real loser

Zlera4 votes

Well then lets say this braum top you talked about hard won top and I mean 15/0 won, I doubt you would call that said person a troll... would you?

CurS1VE2 votes

i absolutely would

Taking Braum Top and just happen to pop off is just a unicorn moment and it doesn't make the pick less troll in any way, it just means they just happen to pop off which can happen eventually if you play enough game. If you play 100 games, statistically speaking in 1 of them it is for sure possible for you to go 15/0, but the 99 other times you feed your ass off..

Now just because i happen to see the 1 out of 100 doesn't excuse you for messing up the game 99 other times does it? Absolutely not

saphireflame1233 votes

Braum Top actually works though. Especially a few seasons ago where people did it so often.

Trolling isn't just picking off-meta and ending up feeding, trolling is purposely giving up the game.

CurS1VE1 votes

lol no man, what season was that? Nobody recently has done Braum top with consistent results because he isn't a top laner and so taking him top is trolling Durrr, You pick him and you WILL feed, flat out and just because you like that champ wouldn't make the result different.

Just because you picked the champ without the expressed purpose of trolling doesn't mean you weren't trolling, it just means you were / are either A) too stupid or B) too prideful to realize that the champ shouldn't be in that lane because it doesn't do well in any matchup and gives little win condition to your team.

You may have gone in (for whatever reason) thinking "OMG I Think Braum TOP Is OP" but Braum is in fact really shit Top, and so because you did this you ended up trolling because you basically ruined the game for your team.

You may not have been malicious with your intent but that doesn't mean you weren't trolling

saphireflame1233 votes

I think it was either season 5 or 6. But I used to see it quite a bit and they would usually do good.

Just because a Champ doesn't belong in a lane doesn't mean they will feed.

For example Pyke Mid was one of the Top Mid Laners for a while, even though he wasn't meant to be there.

Tristana Mid and Top is a thing now and even though she is meant to be ADC, not Top and Mid, she still wins a lot.

And tons more.

CurS1VE1 votes

that is completely different lol you don't even understand.

pyke mid and top has literally nothing to do with his lane presence and everything to do with his skirmish potential, any fight he is in he can win with his R and just clean up instantly so having him in 1 of those lanes even if he were to lose lane hard is worth cause the minute the lane phase ends he can make sure your team wins any fight. That isn't trolling

Tristana (as well as many other ADCs who get put top) are there to specifically hard abuse the Range v Melee matchups but trist also has the expressed purpose of sieging down towers like a beast.

These are different advantages that they give your team, which isn't the same as picking something "for fun" just because, in fact these 2 are pretty much the exact opposite! The ppl understood how strong these 2 picks were in other lanes/roles and how they can be strong team mates.

Playing Braum Top neither Wins lanes nor Sieges well, nor does having Braum give you a specific Team Advantage outside of lane phase. So picking that because you want to play it for fun Top is pretty troll

Just because YOU don't understand the difference doesn't mean there isn't one

and no braum top wasn't a thing in s5 or 6

saphireflame1232 votes

Are you dumb?

That's exactly what you said.

To summarize, you said if you pick a champ that doesn't belong in that lane, then you will feed.

Tristana doesn't belong in top or mid.

Pyke doesn't belong mid. Rito recognized that and gutted his wave clear to stop it.

Braum Top DOES in fact prove useful in team fights. He may not be a good pusher, but that's why Demolish exists. In team fights he blocks damage for his team and makes sure the enemies can't get away.

He also won several times when I saw him go top.

CurS1VE1 votes

That isn't what I said, I said "I'm all for people picking things off-meta"

you should go re-read my original post instead of trying to put words in my mouth

Pyke Mid and Top never had nothing to do with his wave clear at all, it was always about his skirmish, they nerfed his wave clear to make his mid and top lane picks less powerful but he is still strong because his R is strong.

Tristana belongs top the same reason why Vayne and Quinn can be top but she actually seiges down towers which is why she is powerful and she is way safer than Vayne because she can just jump away.

YOU don't understand why they work, Tristana Top is probably better than Trista ADC tbh, because she has a way easier time abusing Melee matchups and doesn't have to worry about fighting other ADCs, she can literally farm safe, harass safe and if she over extends it's whateva cause she jumps away or buster shot away.

p.s. No He didn't, link the game or shut up, i literally made up the Braum top just to be super exaggerated, ppl don't play that shit and the fact you want to claim that means you didn't even understand that i was using a super extreme example for the sake of detailing what it is i am talking about..I could've just said Teemo sup or Singed supp but I felt like going even further would be a better example to show what i am directly speaking to..The fact you didn't understand that i was using a very exaggerated example that wasn't actually real just lets me know you are just trying to argue for the sake of it

saphireflame1232 votes

She is MEANT for ADC, nothing else.

If you really think you are all for people picking things off-meta, then don't throw that statement in the garbage later by saying the complete opposite.

CurS1VE1 votes

she is a Marksmen, that doesn't mean she is only meant for Bot lane.

Just listen to what you are saying, like i said before, i'm for off - meta stuff, and my statements directly support that..I play Swain Support Sometimes and i did that before ppl in LCK were doing it, and now it's a thing but not a popular thing..It's off-meta

Just because someone is a Mage doesn't mean they are only meant for Midlane, just because someone is Marksmen doesn't mean they are only meant for Bot lane (kindred and graves say hi)

the difference between looking at the role and understanding the strength of the champ is how you define if it can be plugged into a different lane or not.

The strengths and how it builds, all these things matter as well as the matchups you would encounter, these all matter.

So the reason why Braum top sucks balls is more about the matchups that you would face but also about the dmg capability braum can do. If you wanted a Tank you could just pick a tank who was designed to go into the lane, picking Braum doesn't do anything better than those tanks that already exist, nor does Braum hard counter anything really that would be in the top lane, nor can he really abuse any items so therefore his capbility in the top lane is pretty much nil and picking him would be really troll because of that.

saphireflame1232 votes

Marksman doesn't mean just ADC, correct.

For example Quinn is MEANT to go top, when she is a marksman.

But TRISTANA, on the other hand, was just meant for ADC. That's all Riot designed her for. Yes, she has the kit that allows her to go jungle, or mid lane, or top lane, without being useless, but that doesn't mean they meant for her to go there. That's just her kit. They meant for her to be used for ADC ONLY.

Here's a thought. I liked going Tank Ahri Top. I never lost lane.

I fed sometimes, but never lost lane.

Ahri loses against a lot of Top Laners and was never seen by Riot as a Top Laner. Neither was she seen as going Tank. Ever. But guess what? I did it. Both at once. That doesn't mean picking that is trolling. If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose.

Unless I pick someone like Yuumi in a solo lane, that relies heavily on allies, I'm not trolling.

I loved playing AP Thresh Jungle. He isn't supposed to be a Jungler, and he doesn't have that good of a kit to be one. His AOE doesn't do enough damage, and his attack speed is too low. He is also mana hungry, so he SHOULD be useless in the Jungle without Blue Buff. But guess what? I played it. And I almost always carried the game. I'm not trolling, am I?

saphireflame1231 votes

Dude did you even read what I said...

Eedat5 votes

Imagine getting this upset over playing unranked in a video game. Holy hell

ModRowanstar4 votes

I play for fun but I do my best because I enjoy learning new ways to play (new champs) but idc if i win or not as long as i can do well and progress. it sucks losing real bad when you can barely play because u insta die but other than that idc.

saphireflame1233 votes

This is a game. Games are supposed to be fun. Not only when you win, but all the time.

What is a game to you? You're not always going to win.

saphireflame1233 votes

"I'm playing for fun" isn't an excuse. Its truth.

CurS1VE1 votes

do you play a lot of practice mode or bots?

saphireflame1232 votes

No because I like playing for fun and Practice Mode/Bots I only use for when I am discovering new builds

5050BS3 votes

"Playing for Fun" = "Im Trolling because Im an asshat"

preternatural2 votes

people should just not use the chat and respect the role the game gives you.

saphireflame1232 votes

Losing can be fun. Winning isn't the only way to have fun. As long as you felt you had fun, its okay.

For example you can do a troll build on someone and lose, but still have fun with it.

saphireflame1232 votes

Winning IS FUN! If you aren't having Fun while winning then I have to seriously question your mental! AND if you are having fun while LOSING?! Then just wow, I'd recommend you invest in a Therapist ASAP

Did you literally just say everyone who doesn't think like you is mentally challenged?

Wow dude, that's extreme.

That is bannable in-game.

Teh Song2 votes

  1. It's only inting if they have an actual goal of dying on purpose. If they don't have the thought "I am going to pointedly allow the enemy to kill me" they aren't inting, no matter how much they die.

  2. People who play for fun DO play to win, just as much as you do. That's the game. That's how it works. The fun is in playing to win. The difference is that their enjoyment is not hinged to a victory popup at the end. Their enjoyment is in the attempt.

Here's what it comes down to: If you actually enjoy a game, be it this game or any other, you don't have to win to have fun. You don't. You DON'T. You try to, but you still have fun if you fail. If ever you (or anyone else) is playing any game and only enjoys that game when you win, you don't actually enjoy that game. You just enjoy winning. Let me say that again. If you have to win to have fun, you don't actually like the game, you just like winning. That's a fact. An objective fact.

If you don't like a game, you shouldn't waste your time playing it. If you don't enjoy LoL even when you lose, you don't actually like LoL, and shouldn't waste your time playing it. Alternatively, you could stick to bots, where you don't have to worry about losing. Either way, you, op, as the one who needs to win to have fun in this game, should stop playing pvp. You should improve the status of your own life by finding a game you actually enjoy to spend your time on, for your own sake. A game where you still have fun if you lose. Which, to circle back around to the point I started with, doesn't mean you aren't trying to win. You still are, you just don't need to to enjoy it.

Snowbrand1 votes

If you want diehard tryhard go ranked, what's the problem? Just play ranked if you really wants your team to care about winning. What's the problem?

CurS1VE1 votes

if you don't care in norms then you are practicing to not care about the game regardless of mode.

you guys keep saying ranked is for this try hard stuff but if people aren't practicing norms and playing to win there then they aren't going to develop the skills or mindset to win in ranked either.

If you want to screw around then go into practice or bots, that would literally be the ideal place for troll picks and ppl who do whatever they want considering most of them don't care about a team or the other players.

when you are playing any game you should always be practicing to Win and developing skills that help you Win! If you aren't doing that then you are just screwing around and you literally don't need to involve anyone else with that at all yet for whatever reason people think it's ok to subject others to it?!

If you aren't trying, you are just doing whatever, picking troll stuff and not caring to really play then what's the point of playing against anyone?

Snowbrand1 votes

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if you don't care in norms then you are practicing to not care about the game regardless of mode.

you guys keep saying ranked is for this try hard stuff but if people aren't practicing norms and playing to win there then they aren't going to develop the skills or mindset to win in ranked either.

If you want to screw around then go into practice or bots, that would literally be the ideal place for troll picks and ppl who do whatever they want considering most of them don't care about a team or the other players.

when you are playing any game you should always be practicing to Win and developing skills that help you Win! If you aren't doing that then you are just screwing around and you literally don't need to involve anyone else with that at all yet for whatever reason people think it's ok to subject others to it?!

If you aren't trying, you are just doing whatever, picking troll stuff and not caring to really play then what's the point of playing against anyone?

No, I care a lot in ranked games but not in normals. I can use my brain to understand the difference. I don't need to practice it.

Yes, I can change mindset in different game modes. It isn't hard.

No, because there is no challenge in bot games. I try to win every normal game I play, but I don't really care if I lose either.

No, games are usually for fun. Winning can be fun, but it doesn't have to be. Life isn't all about winning and I usually play games to relax and chill. That's usually why I play games, not to have a second job. Then, it's fun to get better and win games. But it's just one reason and not always the biggest reason. Well, if 4 of your other teammates wants to have fun and not to get flamed for not tryharding, isn't it just better to play a single player game, where you can tryhard as much as you want without forcing it on others?

Because of the challenge. I usually still try to win, soetimes it's the main objective but not always the case and sometimes not the only.

CurS1VE1 votes

so by your logic i should just pick up any champ i want and without any sort of experience go into ranked because that's where it matters and where i should be trying.

I shouldnt practice at all because norms are for just screwing around and practice is only reserved for ranked because thats where ppl try

thanks for helping me understand your mindset

you know this idea that you shouldn't try and only when your rating is on the line that's when it matters, that's a very flawed ideology. you don't get better by never practicing and if you never take it serious enough to invest in practice then when you do decide to go to ranked you are actually going to be really bad even if you were to play 200+ games on 1 champ in norms, you aren't actually practicing (by your logic) you are just screwing around and doing whateva, you are basically setting yourself up to fail at that point.

If that's honestly what you think then i'd say pretty clearly that playing a team based game isn't for you because your mates need to be able to rely on you and if you are of the mindset that you are playing only for you and fuck every one else then you are not being a good team mate.

That's like having a Friend who is expecting you to be a Friend back and you saying Fuck off I only play for me when I want!

Pretty selfish ideology you got going on if you can't play to win in a normal game, you just said norms are where you screw around so basically you think it's ok to troll normal games and somehow you can do this and it won't impact your play in ranked at all (if and when you play ranked)..Mmmkay man, if you really believe that then hey, you obviously want to do you and nothing anyone says will make you change that so keep doing you man, keep doing you

Srbonator1 votes

Fun is actually to que up with all my friends, and just go pick some troll picks. Once we all had teleport and over time we teleported to each others lanes doing ganks and stuff, we lost but it was funny lol, and we mostly do funny stuff like that.

BeastHorus1 votes

If you're going to deliberately shoot down every single argument that people give, I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time here.

You can rephrase your argument here so that SOME people may actually agree with you. Your claim is valid but needs to be re-worded in order for other people to digest. You are making this post solely with accusations and complaints against the majority which is guaranteed for everyone to turn against you.

On a side note, ever heard of the Nightblue3 drama with a Jhin top in his game? You're basically doing the same thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VElnwWvX-A

CurS1VE1 votes

if they are all saying the same thing (slightly different) then obviously my replies/retorts will be essentially the same and consistent throughout each reply.

You want me to be less aggressive with how I phrased it, I get it, I could be PC and super cotton ball beta about it but who in the world is going to take that seriously? I'm serious about this topic and so I have a serious tone! I'm not going to walk on egg-shells about this.

To me this is a very serious subject and when ppl just are like "yeah whateva bro it's norms I do whatever I want" they don't understand the implications or the ramifications that they have on the other 9 players in those games (assuming it is just you solo Q).

I didn't watch the NB3 thing you linked but like I told someone else, just because you pick a Troll pick and (i'm amusing this person in the video did well?) do well, that doesn't excuse you from trolling! Like i stated to someone earlier, you could play 100 games with some bs troll pick in norms and feed/int 99 times and just cause 1 time you don't doesn't make the trolling pick right.

I like off-meta picks, hell I play Swain Support! I was one of the first to do it to be honest and that is pretty off-meta but because he has things that can actually make him a Support (his E and W) along with scaling well for team fights and being semi-weak in solo lanes it kinda makes sense to move him to support (similar to how some other mages have been moved down to bot) but when you don't actually have a strategic reason for it, other than just "I want to have fun so i'm playing this" then you are absolutely trolling and even if it's Norms it's still not right and it's ridiculous that people are talking about Norms like it was a URF or something!

Norms isn't URF

So yeah man, I'm not going to be all tip toe pc bullshity about this subject.

People want respect right? So why wouldn't they respect the other people in the game? That's what it boils down to and it's really as simple as that, when ppl pick troll picks it doesn't matter if they have 30kda in that 1 game or not, the point is that they have blatantly non-verbally said that they don't give 2 shits about the other 9 people in the game and that is DIRECTLY what I am speaking about.

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