What was wrong with Pre-Rework Graves?
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he was basically Lucian with more burst.
whoever was stronger at the time as always picked over the other. if graves was stronger you had no reason to pick Lucian over Graves. they both were short range, burst adcs who also had an extremely similar dash.
the rework is honestly pretty cool. I miss cheesing people with old graves E auto, Q auto, R as old graves was a lot of fun, but i never had any reason to pick graves. graves right now plays as a carry you can play in top or jungle as a marksmany kind of champ. its pretty cool imo. he'll be hard to balance, but I think they are a lot closer to balancing him now.
Pretty much this. Adding to that, old Graves was fairly flat, in that he was this champion with a really cool theme and fantasy ("burly shotgun marksman"), but didn't really deliver on either with his gameplay. As much as his current state may have some issues, he's undeniably a proper shotgun champion, and he can do what he does without fear of overlapping too hard with other marksmen in terms of contributions and playstyle.
Not much. His kit was fine. It had strengths and weaknesses and wasn't super oppressive to play against, and had a reasonably deep mastery curve. The whole point of the Marksman update was that all Marksmen did the same thing, damage, and so there was never a reason to pick any Marksman except for the one with the best numbers.
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Riot wanted to "enhance each marksmens strengths" So they gave him like 200% damage in melee range and 120 free armor and mr. Because hes the "manly" ADC that wants to fight up close.
I can't remember how much Free Armor And MR he got before his rework. He got free armor and mr before... 120 seems like way too much though. A free amount of defenses equal to ZzRot + Guardians seems high.
The point of the marksman update was to dfferentiate champions. at the time there was no reason to pick graves, literally none at all. he was another generic ADC. In RIOTs eyes thats an issue.
IMO they made him more interesting.
This. So this. The reworks is to help give champions uniqueness, and ADCs had all been uniform and it was just pick the best one at the moment. Minus Ashe I guess. Ashe you brought for her R.
varus and ashe were the only ones with real differences. Tristana too i guess and vayne for tank shred. but between cait, corki, graves, and quinn, it was really just "whats the best at the moment?"
Nothing,Riot just want to make each champion "unique" when you want to pick it.