What was wrong with Pre-Rework Graves?

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MoarCowbell984 votes

he was basically Lucian with more burst.

whoever was stronger at the time as always picked over the other. if graves was stronger you had no reason to pick Lucian over Graves. they both were short range, burst adcs who also had an extremely similar dash.

the rework is honestly pretty cool. I miss cheesing people with old graves E auto, Q auto, R as old graves was a lot of fun, but i never had any reason to pick graves. graves right now plays as a carry you can play in top or jungle as a marksmany kind of champ. its pretty cool imo. he'll be hard to balance, but I think they are a lot closer to balancing him now.

Teridax681 votes

Pretty much this. Adding to that, old Graves was fairly flat, in that he was this champion with a really cool theme and fantasy ("burly shotgun marksman"), but didn't really deliver on either with his gameplay. As much as his current state may have some issues, he's undeniably a proper shotgun champion, and he can do what he does without fear of overlapping too hard with other marksmen in terms of contributions and playstyle.

Drunk Tsundere3 votes

Not much. His kit was fine. It had strengths and weaknesses and wasn't super oppressive to play against, and had a reasonably deep mastery curve. The whole point of the Marksman update was that all Marksmen did the same thing, damage, and so there was never a reason to pick any Marksman except for the one with the best numbers.

Marshbouy1 votes

yes.

Caítlyn2 votes

Riot wanted to "enhance each marksmens strengths" So they gave him like 200% damage in melee range and 120 free armor and mr. Because hes the "manly" ADC that wants to fight up close.

Chamuel851 votes

I can't remember how much Free Armor And MR he got before his rework. He got free armor and mr before... 120 seems like way too much though. A free amount of defenses equal to ZzRot + Guardians seems high.

Marshbouy1 votes

he does have to be in a long teamfight for that though. his E is not that short of a cooldown and he needs to build some serious attack speed to get some

Chamuel851 votes

Agreed.

Marshbouy2 votes

The point of the marksman update was to dfferentiate champions. at the time there was no reason to pick graves, literally none at all. he was another generic ADC. In RIOTs eyes thats an issue.

IMO they made him more interesting.

Chamuel851 votes

This. So this. The reworks is to help give champions uniqueness, and ADCs had all been uniform and it was just pick the best one at the moment. Minus Ashe I guess. Ashe you brought for her R.

Marshbouy1 votes

varus and ashe were the only ones with real differences. Tristana too i guess and vayne for tank shred. but between cait, corki, graves, and quinn, it was really just "whats the best at the moment?"

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

Nothing,Riot just want to make each champion "unique" when you want to pick it.

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