I don't know what the next ADC will be nor do I know whats in his/her kit but he/she better be immobile because I don't like seeing another 
. Having some self defense abilities will be fine though but if that champion can blink, long ranged dash,stealth/invisibilty and etc while dealing tons of damage then that just feels sort of frustrating to deal/ catch
think of the old ADCs 
Anime Fizz10 votesWell immobile adcs are trash and trash wont sell so of course its going to have self peel and mobility.
How do you even play a immobile adc when shit like akali/aatrox/irelia/sylas exists? You simply dont and pick kaisa/ezrea/lucian.
MYRTLE SN0W1 votesTruth!!!
DuskDaUmbreon9 votesMobility bad, not being able to escape any diver or assassin running you down good, upnoodles to the left
Moody P51 votesmarksmen defined as a class by requiring team assistance to succeed, all the strongest marksmen have multiple self peel spells and completely stomp out the champions meant to counter them?
something not adding up here
DuskDaUmbreon10 votes"Needing their team to succeed" and "needing their team to ever be able to survive literally any enemy champion that isn't another marksman" aren't the same thing.
ADCs should need their team to do well. They shouldn't need them to survive Xin Zhao running them down while they're killing minions while under both nexus turrets.
Literal IRL Tree8 votesYeah xin shouldn't be able to kill a caught out adc bro you are right there
DuskDaUmbreon4 votesunder both nexus turrets.
caught out
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floo4 votes[{quoted}](name=Adequate Top,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tjufJ0ZH,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-25T06:13:29.878+0000)
Yeah xin shouldn't be able to kill a caught out adc bro you are right there
Caught out under their own turret which prefers to hit minions since hitting Xin won't do shit anyway, while the ADC dies in 3 autos?
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesNot only that, but "caught out" in what is the second-safest place in the entire game, only behind your goddamn fountain.
Not just under their own turret, but in the only place you can be under two of your own fucking turret at once.
floo3 votesNot only that, but "caught out" in what is the second-safest place in the entire game, only behind your goddamn fountain.
Not just under their own turret, but in the only place you can be under two of your own fucking turret at once.
I didn't even mean nexus turrets in particular since they are all useless against anyone with a fucking ruby crystal. But nexus turrets are a genuine joke. It's fucking ridiculous how useless the last defense of your base is. The onky towers who are supposed to fight super minions literally lose against 1 wave or 2 supers on their own.
Literal IRL Tree2 votesFind me a clip of a Xin killing an adc in 3 in autos please
U R Good At Game1 votes"Needing their team to succeed" and "needing their team to ever be able to survive literally any enemy champion that isn't another marksman" aren't the same thing.
ADCs should need their team to do well. They shouldn't need them to survive Xin Zhao running them down while they're killing minions while under both nexus turrets.
Idk, the issue is there usually aren't multiple divers in a balanced team comp so an adc being able to solo peel a diver is a pretty big deal. You usually have one diver, one front line, a mage, an marksmen and a utility. Sure there are exception but that is one of the most common team comps. As a top laner, I can't tell you the amount of time I am the only champion in the game who can touch the ADC but it doesn't matter because it's a vayne, I have one dash, she has one dash, condemn, heal and botrk. So not even counting her support or any of her team, no one can touch her. Unless the stars align and we have a sniper mage or she goes into melee like an iron.
Hexs Fortune8 votesWhen you put it that way, sounds like MF could stand a buff
Heos004 votesLol that marksmen definition stopped making sense when they started to introduce hyper mobile champions that can deal stupid amounts of damage and be tank enough to 100-0 any adc (bruisers on the mayority) if they alone no matter what and a bunch of CDR that without mention that supports have almost 70% of lane control on laning phase.
At this point every champion should be self-peeling and deal a bunch of damage.
Tanks were defined as a class meant to rely on their team to succed, also supports, assassins and basically every other champion on old league lol, now champions lose their identity and everyone has a dash, some form of life steal, stealth, safety, etc. that most of adcs and tanks don't have. Im fine with a new adc with mobility, fits well with the new League of Le(Damage,CDR,Dashes,OverloadedKits)gends.
14daysuspensionk3 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tjufJ0ZH,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-25T02:23:28.564+0000)
marksmen defined as a class by requiring team assistance to succeed, all the strongest marksmen have multiple self peel spells and completely stomp out the champions meant to counter them?
something not adding up here
Myabe they want to make the role not limited to just that?
HàrrowR2 votesMyabe they want to make the role not limited to just that?
Well if Moody knew what logic is, he'd realize that his sentence is contradictory, if marksmen are "defined" as a class that requires a team to succeed but the strongest carries have enough peel and mobility to survive solo then the class is obviously NOT designed to be completely team dependent, only some of those carries are, namely immobile ones.
Vayne,Pre-rework Graves, Lucian, Tristana, Ezreal, they all existed since season 1-3 and they are all self-reliant. His definition is just that, completely his, otherwise they'd never make an ADC like Vayne or Lucian
HàrrowR1 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tjufJ0ZH,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-25T02:23:28.564+0000)
marksmen defined as a class by requiring team assistance to succeed, all the strongest marksmen have multiple self peel spells and completely stomp out the champions meant to counter them?
something not adding up here
Where is that defined and when? I remember back in the day Graves ADC could stack 100 armor and MR while also having a huge burst with QR a dash and a smoke that blinds.
Vayne always existed
Lucian came out in season 3 i think
Tristana was always mobile,bursty and good at 1v1
Ezreal, not team reliant, incredible kiting, poke and burst
Hell most immobile ADCs were godly at 1v1 cause there was literally 90% less mobility in the game and less damage.
ADCs got squisher over the years because supports got better items so to compensate they made ADCs squishier, in reality people aren't even playing regular supports anymore and only spam pyke/brand so you still need ADCs that can be reliable on their own.
I always get pissed off when people try to define what all ADCs are, or even worse, using the term MARKSMEN that also encompasses champions like Teemo,Kindred and Quinn while talking about how MARKSMEN shouldn't be able to duel,be mobile or whatever the person making the statement feels like needs to be gutted away from them so they get an easy kill.
hoganftw8 votesMobility bad, not being able to escape any diver or assassin running you down good, upnoodles to the left
Champions with weaknesses and tradeoffs good. Kaisa having the best build options, best survivability, best damage, and best mobility bad.
Azlureon1 votesChampions with weaknesses and tradeoffs good. Kaisa having the best build options, best survivability, best damage, and best mobility bad.
Kaisa also has a lower range and no cc as a trade-off. while most immobile marksmen have safety in their range and cc. Yes, varus cant invis/ms away but he can hit a chain of corruption and be safe. and at that point prob turn things.
hoganftw1 votesKaisa also has a lower range and no cc as a trade-off. while most immobile marksmen have safety in their range and cc. Yes, varus cant invis/ms away but he can hit a chain of corruption and be safe. and at that point prob turn things.
But she has all the tools to escape an ADC could ever ask for if she gets into a sticky situation. On top of that, a shield to boot. Varus can't survive being jumped on even with a chain of corruption. Chain of Corruption is a teamfight initiation style ability. Ashe's arrow isn't an escape tool for that reason too. He's totally reliant on having his team peel. He's not nearly the type of 1v9 champion that Kaisa can be due to the limitations of his kit and Kaisa's champino design overall.
There's not really much of a tradeoff. Her lower range doesn't mean much here when she can dash in and out no problem. Not many ADCs outside of maybe Vayne can say that.
NB money1 votesI see the point. I mean the only time anyone sees gosu is him getting deleted by rengar. marksmen are not an exception to mobility, if anyone they needed it the most but it can be overdone really easily as well.
Zullar9 votesYou think they would make any champion in 2019 without at least 3 dashes?
iiGazeii8 votesHere's RiotAugust (one of the designers for the new ADC) and his thoughts on their mobility:
https://twitter.com/RiotAugust/status/1163897569056964608?s=20
mark60283 votesTerrible designer.
iiGazeii2 votesTerrible designer.
A) That Tweet was a joke B) He designed Jhin, who is one of the best-designed champions ever made, if not THE best. He also designed Jinx, another incredibly successful ADC. Neither have dashes
So get outta here with your hate.
ImTheJuggernauty1 votesI'll disagree with your "best design" designation, but I agree, they are two generally well made champs.
Kovorix1 votesLol best designed champion. Thats a good joke.
Daddy Ants1 votesHere's RiotAugust (one of the designers for the new ADC) and his thoughts on their mobility:
https://twitter.com/RiotAugust/status/1163897569056964608?s=20
That's obviously him memeing.
SiG DxD7 votesfk kaisa abomination with 3 passives on every button
JackMcCarry6 votesJust give me another marksmen with an ammo system, 
and 
are my favorite marksmen in the game.
RadeticDraws5 votesIt is that kind of meta where mobility is needed If X adc has lower range put mobility into their kit But if X adc is fucking Caitlyn, DO NOT GIVE HER THE GAPCLOSER THAT ALSO ACTS AS A CC DAMAGE BOOST ON HER ALREADY HIGHT DMG AND RANGE
Chembaron Yamada6 votesCaitlyn's E can either get used as a gapcloser or as CC/damage boost, not both at the same time.
RadeticDraws1 votesi did not mean at the same time thats why i said "also acts"
Kanzler2 votes"Also" means it can do both at the same time. "Or" is the correct word.
RadeticDraws2 votesaight fair point but i stated what i meant so i redeemed myself
Wen2944 votesDoesn't help that kai'sa can afford to buy very defensive items while still dealing pretty high burst and DPS. Not many other adcs can reliably pick up an hourglass....
Kanzler3 votesThey can pick up other defensives. It's rare to see 
on kaisa and it's trolling if she buys 
.
I dont think her utilizing a different defensive item than other adcs is an accurate gauge of power...
HàrrowR1 votesDoesn't help that kai'sa can afford to buy very defensive items while still dealing pretty high burst and DPS. Not many other adcs can reliably pick up an hourglass....
The boards, DEFENSIVE ITEMS SUCK CAUSE ZED WITH THREE LETHALITY ITEMS AND A CLEAVER CAN REDUCE TANK'S ARMOR FROM 800 to 80
Also boards KAISA SO OP SHE CAN BUY VERY DEFENSIVE ITEMS
Also what items are that? Kai Sa literally needs 
just to upgrade Q and E, she then has to decide between more damage or defense, if she builds IE to compliment runnans she can only have 1 lifesteal item or 0 lifesteal items and GA/Zhonya
giannishannibal3 votesWell i believe that she is a sniper maybe like an ad xerath and not caitlun or jhin
9 02 votesIt's sad because the Immobile adc's aren't really up to par with the mobile one's if you think about it. Then again they're harder to play since you have to maneuver around your kit so you don't get one shot by the roaming Rengar's and Kha'zix. 
Jennifer4202 voteskaisa is the new corki. noone knows what to build on her anymore, yet her damage is insane
HàrrowR2 votesThe likes on this post just confirm for the 100th time ever, people on the boards just can't handle not having a walking bag of gold on the enemy team cause they're all assassin/bruiser mains.
You want a champ like ? Really? Why's that? Do you enjoy his playstyle? Do you want to start maining ADCs? Or maybe it's cause you know that in SoloQ, especially low elos don't know how to protect the carry so you can just camp and kill the immobile ADC cause you can't kill anyone else.
And the funny thing is, when the meta favors enchanter supports and immobile ADCs people still cry even about Kog, why? Cause he's not a walking pile of gold. Then the design is "unhealthy" but now it's great! So lame
Oh, and what a surpise, your most played champions 
can't have them fighting back now can we
0cean Mann1 votesThe likes on this post just confirm for the 100th time ever, people on the boards just can't handle not having a walking bag of gold on the enemy team cause they're all assassin/bruiser mains.
You want a champ like
And the funny thing is, when the meta favors enchanter supports and immobile ADCs people still cry even about Kog, why? Cause he's not a walking pile of gold. Then the design is "unhealthy" but now it's great! So lame
Oh, and what a surpise, your most played champions
those are my Recently played champions, My most played champions are 
and . I'm playing Diana and Lee sin since** I need to learn Mid and Jungle** so that I won't have problems with autofill in the future. And also I suck at mid lane so whats the use of going there and practicing
GayrensTari1 votesWhy it has to be another adc, though, we need more tankies.
HàrrowR2 votesWhy it has to be another adc, though, we need more tankies.
Cause in the last 3 years riot released 2 ADCs? Meanwhile last 10 reworks were fighters and mages
GayrensTari1 votesCause in the last 3 years riot released 2 ADCs? Meanwhile last 10 reworks were fighters and mages
That's why we need more tankies
BLIGHTBRINGER1 votesWhat I wish to see...
Gameplay satisfaction levels of
Awesome design levels of
Sick ability thematic levels of
Summoner SpeII1 votesno their new adc will be their new child, and be as broken as release rework irelia, and they will wait alot of patches b4 they get their child in favor of a new child
The Stripy Bag1 votesGod is that how low the bar for ADC design has gone that as long as it's not another Kai'sa we're good?
Kovorix1 votesAnd when he is an "immobile" adc he will be something like Jhin that outruns everyone.