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Holy shit Aatrox feels AWFUL.

Freevageeter·6/27/2018, 12:58:26 PM·124 votes·26,288 views

His kit doesn't correspond with itself like it should. Q is wonky, E is wonky, Q->E is wonky, players just walk away from you, players just walk out of your w even when they dont have boots, cannot get ontop of players as a bruiser for some reason, you're a useless sack of shit after you revive from your ult, half the time you get like 200-300 health after your revive because players just kill you so damn quickly, passive is useless as shit, E barely gives any healing from abilities, even when maxed second, forced to build damage because you're useless otherwise. I don't know why I would pick Aatrox over anything else to be honest. I can barely kill the damn intermediate bots for fucks sake.

Also, before someone gives me the "all new champions riot releases are bad for a while" argument, I can tell Aatrox sucks just from his kit alone. His numbers aren't the problem, it's his abilities and how they tie in with one another.

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BeatzBoyFTW6/27/2018, 2:04:46 PM60 votes

Again. 2 weeks, then give your views.

EDIT: Told you.

Critmaster Garen6/27/2018, 1:37:19 PM23 votes

youre supposed to use your e to reposition during the q when they walk out of it.

tbh it was less the time for the ability, but more the change in range that threw me off. without much practise, its kindof hard to predict the distance to position yourself for the second q, even when the target doesnt move.

the first q is the only one that feels reasonable, and that i managed to hit regularly in my test games.

TyroneWatermelon6/27/2018, 9:31:34 PM20 votes

-From an elegant wise gentleman to russian psychopath -From a skilled swordsman with banner wings to a classical buff devilman -From an epic unique 3 splitted sword to generic giant one -From an autoattacker to a spell caster -From a Diver to a Juggernaut -also lore change

i waited years...for this?

JackMcSnipeyz6/27/2018, 3:44:41 PM14 votes

Please give him more than half a day before you critic him so harshly. He might very well be garbage but it's literally his day of release and he isnt exactly simple to play.

Dont create another ornn.

Risen296/27/2018, 8:54:53 PM9 votes

Aatrox plays like shit now. I can't imagine the aatrox mains are happy. He can't do anything he use to be able to.

He's lumbering, immobile, is kited easily, his combo takes forever to execute.

Worst of all his ultimate is complete and utter garbage. Instead of having a great passive for a second shot at life, your ultimate is wasted on that and it doesn't even function properly. You are unable to do anything after you revive, and in order to even revive at full health you have to stay alive for 10 seconds AND the enemy needs to be kind enough to kill you before you ult duration runs out instead of just kiting it out. Total shit.

Nøctμrne6/27/2018, 4:43:19 PM8 votes

I think you are having issues because his kit isn't an average brain dead kit anymore and requires timing and skill mastery to use. In order to play him effectively you will need to put in a large amount of time.

That being said, I think I'll skip ranked for the next week to avoid all the trolls playing him day 1.

Bârd6/27/2018, 10:05:57 PM8 votes

If the new Aatrox was released as Darkin #4 without removing the old Aatrox, there wouldn't be much of a problem.

The kit has potential, but it just isn't Aatrox.

AirKingNeo6/27/2018, 7:24:19 PM8 votes

Melee champion with 0 threat in melee range

His base health is worse than Vladimir

His ultimate doesn't refresh in combat, meaning more than often does he ultimate NOT revive him in fights, which is fucking stupid.

Now do you feel my pain?

Targon6/27/2018, 10:49:10 PM7 votes

Aatrox's new kit seems counterintuitive to me.

To make use of his passive you want your target to be in close range of you, but to make best use of his Q you always want your target to be a certain distance away from you - so unless someone engages on you, you can rarely make good use of both his passive AND his Q. Aatrox's new kit doesn't allow him to follow up against melee champions and ranged champions. He lacks agency like Illaoi, has to position himself in a weird way (for a juggernaut) like Aurelion Sol, and his kit doesn't synergize that well with itself.

Whether or not Aatrox is a high skill cap champion that is secretly OP or not - his kit design seems (at least from my point of view) quite poor.

Risen296/28/2018, 12:20:12 AM6 votes

As someone who tends to like juggernauts more than divers, new aatrox feels like a juggernaut with none of the power of a juggernaut but all the downsides. He is just too weak to make up for how easily he is to kite, and his ultimate is easily played around yet doesnt actually add much power compared with other juggernauts.

Serika Zero6/27/2018, 4:29:54 PM6 votes

Hey, you're making a mistake. Aatrox is no longer a "bruiser", in the champion spotlight, is he called a "juggernaut". Like: morde or illaoi or mundo (i think the last one counts as one).

As such, try to not build only damage. Try to get 1 damage item such as: item 3078 item 3812 item 3071, and then full tank. With emphasis on getting: item 3083 and the 3000hp it requires to trigger.

While you are in your ult reviving stance, you are out of combat I believe, and that should eventually trigger the warmog's hp regen. This reworked Aatrox has 3 knock-ups and a slow, which means, the more you stay alive, the more you disturb the enemy team. So, you staying alive (tank stats) are your main choice when building.

Also, Riot does this thing where, when they expect your character to build something, they give you less stats of it. Example: mages end up having lower mana than adcs at max level. Because mages build mana, or better said, riot wants them too DEFINITELY build mana. Shen has more AD than Zed, because Zed is expected to build AD. And Zed has more armor than Shen, because Shen is expected to build armor. Even tho Shen is the tank, Zed, the assassin has more base armor than him.

That's riot's design philosophy. Aatrox has very low hp, and meh hp and armor growth per level. So, you want to build hp and armor on him. As well as a damage item, most likely black cleaver as it synergies with item 3083

Yes, I'm not playing the game but i like analyzing stuff.

Melledoneus6/27/2018, 5:05:12 PM6 votes

At least Aatrox's CC is consistent and have accurate hitboxes.

Shen's whole kit feels awful to use until you hit 1.4 attack speed, which shouldn't be a requirement on a tank.

But I can see how Aatrox players will be challenged to fight mobile top laners with such specific conditions needed.

Śhunpo6/27/2018, 10:06:32 PM6 votes

28% win rate champ btw.

Hold The Turret6/27/2018, 11:56:51 PM6 votes

i wont be playing him anymore

CapnMorganFr3man6/27/2018, 5:57:20 PM5 votes

I'm pretty sure memelord Hashinshin was right about this one. You can get better at landing your qs no matter how stiff they are, but even if you manage to land them all you still probably haven't killed whatever bruiser you're fighting against and you have no way of getting away from them since you burned all your e charges to land your abilities probably. In the laning phase at least he's just an easier to punish version of Riven.

BlackEyesBlue6/27/2018, 8:44:03 PM5 votes

Well such a champ COULD NOT have released at a worse time.. The over buffed, mobile assassins rule this current "every thing explodes after 2 seconds of combat" meta, and they just counter his bruiser kit by nature. And If he can't nuke them back? He's gunna have a bad time.

Maybe if this release is a collosal disaster it will force them to re-examine the state of the game.