Just press R and initiate the minigame called "misposition yourself around the teamfight and hope your target is dumb enough to stand still so you could ping around him to get a heal for you and your allies"? Seems like a pretty stupid ult IMO. But what do I know? Thoughts? I will miss my lvl 6 tower dives. :'(
Still true though.
Critmaster Garen2 votesif you get 2 or 3 marks on that bruiser or tank off who dives into your team, youll already have a massive impact.
i feel like youll never want to use the ult by diving onto a squishy, but rather use it passively to counter dives into your backline. for example you want to hang far back on the outskirts of your team and then destroy a malp whos ulting your ad carry/support while hes singled out from the rest of his team. then use the aoe heal to undo the damage he did.
similar with other champions who specialize on breaking your frontline. like vi for example.
otherwise you can use it to assassinate and execute someone on between 20% to 40% hp, by ulting them just to trigger the heal by finishing someone off with 1 or 2 marks. i have a feeling this will happen a lot.
the thing is you should build a massive amount of raw ad on her aynways, since everything in her kit scales with bonus ad and she has shitty base values. so unlike irelia, bruiser or tank fiora is not going to be an option. like bork is absolute garbage on her, since she makes very little use of attack speed in general and she gets more % damage and survivability, by building a bloodthirster. this also means, youre gonna be able to assassinate a lot of squishies without your ult and almost always want to use it on the tank in front of you anyways to get the most out of it.
599GTOxx1 votesDoesn't seem very inline with her identity as a fencer though.... Her ult is just an awful idea to be completely honest...
67chrome2 votessimilar with other champions who specialize on breaking your frontline. like vi for example.
It's not like Vi at all. Vi can dive right past the front line and pretty much insta-gib a squishy while also bringing enough damage to pummel a tank.
What you're thinking of with breaking up an initiator is more like 
Which usually feels awful, because champions like Vi that can innitiate can also counter-innitiate, where champions like Galio can only do 1 of those 2.
the thing is you should build a massive amount of raw ad on her aynways, since everything in her kit scales with bonus ad and she has shitty base values. like bork is absolute garbage on her. this also means, youre gonna be able to assassinate a lot of squishies without your ult and almost always want to use it on the tank in front of you anyways to get the most out of it.
Building raw AD on the new Fiora is a horrible idea.
Best path is the 
path for her now.
You need a really solid amount of raw defense, speed, or range to survive long enough to justify being a glass-cannon. And if speed is your defensive mechanic, front-loading your damage is extremely useful for pulling that off, because that's speedy.
Pre-rework Fiora had a lot of mobility with double-lunge and Blade Waltz, 3 pretty solid offensive-only dashes, and Blade Waltz also offered a considerable amount of defensive with untargetability. And she still was hardly seen as competitively viable.
Post-rework? Fiora has "ah" dash and Riposte is actually worth mentioning. And she still gets a minor MS boost if she manages to hit someone in melee range.
Not much in the means of mobility or defense, especially when you consider champions like 
exist.
With her new ult, her damage is also a lot more sustained than it was previously. Original Fiora can double-lunge, Hydra, Blade Waltz someone to front load a considerable amount of damage.
She's essentially 
in terms of AD scaling now. Amazing scalings, but why build so the 1 hit you can survive long enough to apply is solid, when you could build so you can live to apply max bleed stacks and get ult resets?
I mean - with never crit, always crit Fiora just flat out isn't going to scale with crit chance. With a lot of true damage, she just isn't going to scale that well with armor penetration. With applies on-hit effects on Lunge, she's going to scale pretty well with Trinity Force, and with needing to build tanky to survive - Kingblade is going to make her damage scale automatically and be really consistent if she's going to stack some bulk.
I really see a 
being her new build now.
Critmaster Garen1 votesI really see a
i have seen the new fiora in action, and this build will be absolutely terrible.
she doesnt work like irelia. the base damage on her passive and heal and her abilities in general are terrible. they scale massively with bonus ad. the new fiora doesnt even need armor pen and she will always prefer bt and hydra to bork.
you need hydra on her, because her waveclear is terrible and its really good in poke trades with the q. it allows you to dive behind an opponent and duel him in his minion wave.
the max % damage she gets out of bt on her passive is better than the bork passive for her.
she gets the best results out of stacking items like hydra, bloodthirster and cdr. the only remotely defensive item you want on her is cleaver and maw. and the cleaver mainbly for the cdr/ad/health combination. the armor shred is less important.
and i was talking about her being good at destroyng opponents who dive deep into the backline. vi was just an example of those heavy divers.
im saying it right now. ive seen people try this build and bruiser fiora does NOT work. her scalings are geared towards melee adc. that includes the heal, which scales with bonus ad.
Zuske BloodLine1 votesShe's a duelist, she takes strenghts in 1v1's. if she ults on team fight is mostly suicide. she has to be waiting to pick people off.
Its The Kuchiri1 votesThe problem with your comment is the fact her ult adds an aoe buff to her team. I foresee if this actually works.... it would literally have to be in a teamcomp with hard CC and zoning capabilities. Where the team just locks one person down and and wards off the enemy team while Fiora hits the four sides.
Zuske BloodLine1 votestrue , but her ult can be used in a lot of ways. hitting one mark alone gets her a huge boost of speed, it all comes down to the comp and how the team plays the fight. But i still believe she's better off splitpushing. UNLESS riot makes it that teamattes can pop those points, then i still believe she should hang around the back line and wait for a good chance. Nontheless i believe her ult will help her siege turrets (idk thats just me) ; -;
Deep Terror Nami1 votesYou can use it as a zoning tool (because they don't want you to hit each quadrant), and also on someone who is going to die regardless so you can get the heal. It's not so binary as "I either hit them all or it's worthless". Plus, you get that passive damage movespeed and heal for each one you hit so it has use even without finishing it off. Lots of Ults are worthless if you failed to use them right or they were negated by something, but they are still just fine that way.
Caytheles1 votesBah, Whoever misses those clearly cant be decent at lane any other way. Also, Your ult can be used in more than one way, but first here are somethings that you SHOULD do before ulting.
Build properly: Many Fiora players are used to building the same items every game knowing that they wont be touched due to their .... (Precious ult) With this Fiora you actually have to build According to the situation. (I play fiora when i want fast IP so i know this and am ashamed i use it)
Time your Entrance: This is something most people dont have to do right now as Fiora is, She simply goes in after enemy is CC by the Support or JG and ults dealing Heavy damage at no Risk at all for her, Now you can wait for the cc and simply play around as you fight the enemy team.
Make a Strat: Pretting R isnt a Strat, Now you have many opportunities to out smart opponents by making them assume who you are after. here is how.
I Main support so you could say im a Strategist/Tactician, in Teamfights Keep a target in mind, Hit anyone who's Weak spot is Vulnerable (This can be tricky with tanks) and as someone is going to die Ult and Lunge towards them, This will provide a Finishing Blow or Help kill the target. This allows you to Set the Heal off of your ult allowing you and your team to have a slight Advantage in the Battleground. You may not die if you build Properly so even 3 seconds into the ult you and your team should be ready to go. Remember you have many other tools in your Kit to Help you Win the Battle.
-- Caytheles the Grand Warlock
Surr20plz1 votesBah, Whoever misses those clearly cant be decent at lane any other way. Also, Your ult can be used in more than one way, but first here are somethings that you SHOULD do before ulting.
Build properly: Many Fiora players are used to building the same items every game knowing that they wont be touched due to their .... (Precious ult) With this Fiora you actually have to build According to the situation. (I play fiora when i want fast IP so i know this and am ashamed i use it)
Time your Entrance: This is something most people dont have to do right now as Fiora is, She simply goes in after enemy is CC by the Support or JG and ults dealing Heavy damage at no Risk at all for her, Now you can wait for the cc and simply play around as you fight the enemy team.
Make a Strat: Pretting R isnt a Strat, Now you have many opportunities to out smart opponents by making them assume who you are after. here is how.
I Main support so you could say im a Strategist/Tactician, in Teamfights Keep a target in mind, Hit anyone who's Weak spot is Vulnerable (This can be tricky with tanks) and as someone is going to die Ult and Lunge towards them, This will provide a Finishing Blow or Help kill the target. This allows you to Set the Heal off of your ult allowing you and your team to have a slight Advantage in the Battleground. You may not die if you build Properly so even 3 seconds into the ult you and your team should be ready to go. Remember you have many other tools in your Kit to Help you Win the Battle.
-- Caytheles the Grand Warlock
Yeah, I'm sure this will work out great in solo Q.
Its The Kuchiri1 votesWhat if her Ult shows the weakpoints of all the enemies. Allowing her team to hit them to initiate heals and deal the extra damage.
lolipopevelynn1 votes
"whats a fiora?"
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hallows Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tRkAtlyQ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-07-25T04:12:40.014+0000)
the chick thats going to destroy your anus.
seriously, the new fiora should win against jax by miles, squishy as she is. of course you have to time your abilities perfectly right, but thats the tradeoff for her power. all that free defense will help you nothing against max health % true damage. her passive is not blocked by counterstrike, and the stun on counterstrike is predictable enough to turn it on you with riposte.
Its The Kuchiri1 votesProblem is, if she activates ult all he needs to do is run away with counterstrike on and he will dodge all that damage from her ult... If he is decently fed he should be able to trade back against her without her hitting all four sides.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Its The Kuchiri,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tRkAtlyQ,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-07-25T04:20:12.102+0000)
Problem is, if she activates ult all he needs to do is run away with counterstrike on and he will dodge all that damage from her ult... If he is decently fed he should be able to trade back against her without her hitting all four sides.
you dont get it. she deals true damage. meaning her marks go through counter strike. she doesnt deal physical damage with those autos. she will still deal a fuckton of true damage.
and if she times riposte right, she will absorb the stun, stun you, and hunt you down. her ult also gives her a seizable amount of movement speed and she has a movement speed slow on her e.
riposting counterstrike is not going to be that hard considering how predictable it is.
Its The Kuchiri1 votesThey are still auto attacks and Jax's counterstrike blocks all auto attacks, not reduces the damage.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Its The Kuchiri,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tRkAtlyQ,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-25T04:23:37.501+0000)
They are still auto attacks and Jax's counterstrike blocks all auto attacks, not reduces the damage.
true damage cant be blocked or reduced. it still hits him through counterstrike. her auto itself wont deal damage, but the mark will still trigger.
Its The Kuchiri1 votesTell that to Irelia, Yi, and Corki. They apparently don't have that memo about Jax's counterstrike.
Its The Kuchiri1 votesAny kind of auto attack, auto attack modifier, or ability activated through on-hit auto attacks are parried by Jax's counterstrike. This is also the same to old Fiora's parry as well.