DO NOT REMOVE MANA POTS!

What are you taking about?

Obviously he read "removing mana pots", stopped reading right there and made this thread with no context. And he didn't even give a reason why not to remove them.

So Kassadin is getting a buff(?).

Yeah I totally trust riot to balance mana regen around every champion. They have done such a good job in the past. It's not like they attempted to "fix" it before and did a terrible job or anything. I'm going to love having to lane against an mana less like zed/yasuo every game again, until they finally get it right 6 months latter.

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Did all of you guys miss the part where Riot will buff every mana reliant champion's base mana regeneration? They will probably include more powerful early starts for mana users as well, like increase the mana gain from Doran's Ring to 5 mana instead of 2.

You are assuming a lot. They never said they would buff "ever mana reliant champion". They said they would compensate the ones they thought would be the biggest problems which was only a couple, basically. Not sure where you got "ever mana reliant champions" from that.

And to say it will make them more powerful early is even more odd of a claim to make. This seems like more wishful thinking than gathering anything from what was actually said.

sona will be fine, as someone who plays sona support as my ONLY support choice the easiest way to play her is to NOT spam spells. if you Q, then wait for it to come off CD, then Q again you regen enough mana to where you lsoe almost none at all. however if you spam Q, then E, or W, you jsut throw away all your mana.

Dont be, anyone who relied on them is being compensated by increasing their mana and/or mana regeneration to compensate. This might end up helping those champions since now they can have nearly the same mana as before but with other items.

Because you don't always want to rush a mana regen item? Or maybe you're a support?

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Why? GIve some context, all mana users or mana users who use pots frequently will get compensation for it.

I highly doubt it. Supports like Morg and Sona can start and use mana pots. Riot seems to have some hard on for nerfing Sona, so you really think they will give her any sort of compensation?

They will likely ignore supports completely and give like...30 mana or something to mages in mid and call it a day.

With Sona for example I can start my whatever support item then mana pots. Helps me keeps my adc up and allows me to harass more. Without, you are gonna be screwed if you have a bad ADC who can't dodge abilities and you have to heal. You WILL go oom fast or they will get poked out and annoyed with you not healing them constantly. There just isn't any point to get rid of mana pots unlike the good reason for getting rid of green wards. It seems like a "just because preseason changes" for the reasoning.

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If they buff mana for the few who used it, why is it an issue?

Because that's just it, according to Riot and some other people only a few use mana pots. According to others, almost any mid laner can take it for added pressure/to rush more dmg over mana items. Almost every utility support uses them even if they wouldn't in a solo lane. And some should use it, but a majority of people don't bother(Corki, Pantheon, Gangplank, anyone stacking Tear).

Welcome sister to the OOM Maidens.

Dead spell once you've got a mana regen item, especially with a blue buff. I'd rather take ignite, barrier or teleport.

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, anyone?

Clarity should have an decreased CD and empower next spell cast to deal extra damage and return mana depending on damage dealt.

Boom, new offensive summoner spell.

You got and

I like to buy them over health potions when I'm jungling as fiddlesticks

since his sustain is so good that you don't need health potions

and the mana potions allow for additional camps to be cleared (since fid needs to mana to cast drain in order to clear camps)

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I'm pretty sure Riot will balance it out. They would simply have to if they take away the mana pots because some champions just burn through mana like no other, and some of the champions mana regens are terrible.

I hate Blitz as I said in another thread, but trying to throw out one hook drops your mana nearly half way. Not just Blitz but other supports and some mages like Brand go through mana very quickly.

If they don't increase the mana regens, then these champions will have to be so precised on when to attack, and will require such a high skill cap.

But I'm almost certain they'll give a huge boost to mana regens.... HOPEFULLY. If they don't, expect every Zed and his mom to show up in mid lane, or Yasuo.

Do you really believe that there is any chance Riot is giving a buff/compensation to Galio? They've forgotten he even exists. He has terrible mana at all points in the game because of his terribly small mana pool and high costs, and you basically have to use them as he is melee so can't even play him like Ziggs for farming.

What about Yorick? He has mana issues off and on, but early those mana pots can help a lot (depends on builds and all obviously but still). There are outliers that most don't think about that will be much harder to play without mana pots. Ziggs into Zed for example will be a ballache unless he is compensated quite a bit.

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Yeah, I don't really mind.

Keeping your mana in check is part of what I define as skill. And there's always for the really desperate ones.

Except that is getting removed as well for the new worse version (as far as starting out that is) of flask that requires you to basically waste gold to upgrade it into another flask.

Riots removing mana pots, is on the preseason updates.