I don't complain much about Kalista but I was just thinking aren't the two quite similar with kalista having even more mobility? She should probably have her ranged reduced. Also Graves has 500 range and Vayne has 550. Vayne should have 525 or 500 or just rework her into something less overloaded.
Darth Valer12 votesImho Kalista should be 500 or 525 range with most of her recent nerfs reverted (like the additional dash length when going backwards). Graves is fine at 525 imho. Lucian needs either damage (Q old nerfs reverted), range (500 -> 525 or even 550) or mobility (cast-time reduction on Q and W or buffs to E) improvements. Vayne's range is not an issue imho, she should have a weaker laning phase with higher mana cost on Q and higher CD. And perhaps less mana regen and AS per level.
Powderkegg1 votesTo the top!
ABlueQuaker2 votesHigher mana cost on Q would impact late game too much imho. Reducing her Range is a better move.
Guy Fox Teemo7 votesLucian does more burst then Kalista though, kalista needs to stack her rend before doing anything :/
Godaren2 votesLucian does more burst then Kalista though, kalista needs to stack her rend before doing anything :/
lucians burst is a joke right now hence his garbage win rate
Guy Fox Teemo9 votesEzreal has a worse winrate and he isn't garbage :/ Plz stop using win rates as a way to justify a champions balance, unless its like 65% or 40%.
Godaren1 votesEzreal has a worse winrate and he isn't garbage :/ Plz stop using win rates as a way to justify a champions balance, unless its like 65% or 40%.
ez is garbage i dodge every game he is on my team no damage can't kill tanks and vayne jinx sivir are better in every way
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ez is garbage i dodge every game he is on my team no damage can't kill tanks and vayne jinx sivir are better in every way
I've seen only 2 good ADC Ezraesl for 2 seasons...
disregardable5 votesNo, they aren't similar at all. Lucian has low counterplay, back of the wave ability harass, as well as a kit that REWARDS him for being mobile and spamming his abilities with even more damage (as opposed to Kalista requiring movement to auto attack and that's it).
Lucian has a lot more in common with Ezreal than he does with Kalista.
Edit: I'm not saying don't nerf her range. She's already so nerfed that it's unfun, who really cares if she's nerfed again. I'm just pointing out that they're nothing alike. Kalista has a lot in common with Vayne though, both being entirely auto-attack reliant and short low cd dashes. If you're going to make the argument through comparison, it should go like "Vayne and Kalista are too strong and everyone hates them, they're both 550 range, nerf their range and some people might hate them less".
LVL 5 PORO2 votesI dont know why you're being dowvoted for telling the truth. Bad people, eh?
ALittleMenace5 votesKalista can also ignore cc alot of the time while auto attacking -.-
FalconPawwwwnch3 votesYou're looking at it wrong
Kalista needs 500 too
WhiskerWow3 votesYeah, but their desired gameplay (their current gameplay might not reflect this) are pretty different.
Lucian is supposed to be a mobile, bursty ADC that is good at bullying enemy champions. Kalista is supposed to be the safest ADC in the game in exchange for damage decrease.
They're both the most mobile of their kind however.
Chaotic Reks1 votesthe safest ADC in the game in exchange for damage decrease
rends for 3000+ damage
WhiskerWow2 votesThat's, supposedly, the only way she can deal decent damage. You can't cast rend at the beginning, meaning that she has opposite of burst.
Chaotic Reks1 votesI know, but it's just annoying to play against her because you know that every spear you get hit with, it's gonna hurt even more because she will rend.
xxxMadLionxxx2 votesI think vayne, Lucian, kalista should all have the same range whether it be 500 or 550. They all fill the same mobile adc niche although Lucian is outclassed in damage, cc, and even utility as his ult is almost useless.
Phoenix Kotori 1 votesAgreed they should all be the same, it's silly their not.
Athenes Lulu1 votesWas kinda duped to see Kalista having standard AA range, despite that she's got a f**kton of mobility... when she was first released.
Wonder how the hell did that got through...
Woook3r1 votesthe only adc they are interested in nerfing right now is kalista. they are going to buff all the rest.
Br4ndon1 votesI don't like playing against Kalista and she's a nightmare to deal with no matter who you're playing but she isnt AAing 4 times in under a second while also nuking you and everyone in a straight line from her.
Lucian's range was lowered not ONLY because his mobility, but also because his reliable and high burst at range. Kalista can burst you at range, but you can react and stop that burst from happening.
greenbird761 votesThis range discrepancy is because spear goes farther than gun or crossbow. Duh. Just not MF guns because we all know ancient flintlock pistols function infinitely better than futuristic light guns. You know what goes farther than all that? Vomit slug.
ElegantDoge1 votesI think Lucian should have 550 range.It wasn't the problem with him,the problem was his insane burst damage with just a doran blade.Otgher than that,he was fine really.They nerfed his passiv,his Q,his W,everything !they didn't need to lower the range.
blueberrypancake1 votesAs an ADC Kennen main I'd like you to know the only reason why ADC Kennen works is because Graves has 525, not 500
(This is really my only good matchup) 
