Please nerf Fiora.

GastonBarnacles·Sep 29, 2015·13 votes·1,987 views

That w... that 2 sec cd dash, heal for towerdiving and 1v2ing, true dmg. WTF. Riot's balance team, what is going on? Replace the balance team with bronze players and the game will be more balanced than it is now.

15 Comments

MalzaharAnyLaneSep 29, 20154 votes

Revert the rework.

Static DuckSep 30, 20151 votes

I actually really miss her old ultimate. That seemed so much more splashy and dramatic than her new one.

2DunksFromHellSep 29, 20153 votes

they should make her less moblie and make that when she ults someone ONLY IF SHE KILLS THE MARKED TARGET heal appears

GastonBarnaclesSep 29, 20151 votes

Yeah, she has really strong abilities in her kit so her getting that amount of mobility is absurd. With that much mobility she shouldn't have a slow or any cc.

The Sword SaintSep 29, 20153 votes

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ProvengreilSep 30, 20151 votes

OK. she Q's toward your weak point, dealing about 1/3 of your HP in mostly unblockable damage and slows you on the second hit. Outside of flash, since you won't have it when she tries again in about 4 seconds, do you do to prevent/avoid/retaliate/trade back?

The Sword SaintSep 30, 20151 votes

Ignoring your ridiculous hyperbole since each passive proc is going to do something like 6% max hp true damage early game and will only approach the 20% mark near a full glass cannon build:

Don't let her just q towards your weak points for free. Hit her on the way in, or position so that she can't reach it without going in deep enough for you to trade with her heavily in your minions, or move right before you expect her to go in and make her not proc the vital because it is actually pretty strict.
given that you apparently failed to punish her extremely telegraphed desire to q in at all, you need to start hitting her back the same as you would anyone else who was trading with you with the caveat that you need to mixup your timing and combo order if you have most of your damage or cc on one spell so that she can't just riposte it mindlessly and has to actually guess or use it on reaction.
Actually, amazingly enough you too can move or use a mobility spell thats not flash in order to make it harder for her to hit the next vital that pops up
All in her when she goes in to poke a vital, fiora's laning phase unless he gets ahead is reliant on smartly procing vitals many times for efficient trades before any sort of duel takes place. If you all in her at full hp when she uses her q to go in on you, she will simply lose the fight and die, or knowing this back off and take a lot of damage even if she escapes as you chase her down.
Use fioras bloodthirst to hit vitals to bait her into q'ing in right as the jungler ganks.

There, at least 5 things you can do off of the top of my head.

LOL SpammerSep 29, 20152 votes

JariSep 29, 20152 votes

I never played old Fiora minus once or twice, where I fed horribly and apologized many times.

I go into New fiora with that new skin after her 5.18 changes, not before. I laned up against a Rengar. I don't know the matchups, decided I wanted to be aggressive.

This guy literally just let me hit him around and did nothing about it. I didn't need my Q to hit the point behind him. He just always let me walk behind him and smack him around. What happened once I went 3/0 like this? The Rengar all chatted me stating, "Fiora's a broken champ and should be deleted from the game."

That's how I think this goes. Think for a damn second. First off, really strong duelist. Second of all, I see people literally just give her kills. Any champ that's fed is going to seem OP. Lastly, it's not like her old ult is there and can't be countered around considering if she flaps up like I did a good few times and pop ult to die before landing a hit, there it goes and no heal if that person dies in that time still.

Just saying. Her Title is, "The Grand Duelist," last I recall. I'm pretty sure that's meant to mean something.

LionelLeonSep 29, 20152 votes

her Q has a long cd unless you hit a target, W has a long cd and all you have to do to kill her is engage on her when she wastes W. fiora is a dueler like jax, vayne, zed, etc. Also, in organized teamfights or if your team has CC, fiora will simply explode " but her heal" as long as she doesn't hit her target/ kill it, the heal will not go off.

side note, you don't rush defense against someone with %true damage, you get offensive items.

UltîmaSep 30, 20152 votes

You know, while Fiora is definitely a very powerful character in her own rights, she doesn't exhibit a toxic gameplay pattern outside of the % true damage. Yes, she has a very powerful spellshield, but she needs to execute it within a 0.75 second window; she's already cutting bullets as it is, and nerfing the values of her W would put it in the completely unusable category for anyone with a ping value above 60. Her dash requires her to connect the follow-up attack for the CD to be shortened. One way this could be changed so that Fiora doesn't always have access to her mobility by hitting a minion would be for the cooldown to refresh only when Fiora connects with a vital. Again, this would make her power extremely conditional.

If you look at the metrics for her, Fiora has a really low winrate in Diamond (around 46%) while having a relatively high pick rate (20%) and ban rate (77%). That shows that there's a pretty big bias against her regardless of the fact that she loses out against most matchups at a high-skill level.

BranimalSep 30, 20152 votes

Yeah! She's not super OP, she is just hated uniformly.

Weiner the PoohSep 29, 20151 votes

Q's not even 2 cd with max cdr. W has a high cd plus a delay and only last .75 seconds. You know exactly where she has to go to get her passive plus it and her R can be qss'd.

RyzeReworkSep 29, 20151 votes

okay so now i have to buy qss when fiora hits level 6? oh wait that doesnt matter because she does a fuck ton without the ult lol fiora doesnt even need an ult to be able to destroy an enemy team will not taking any damange for .75 and stuning anyone that tries to stun her