Don't understand at all. You continuously dumb down the game just because people bitch about it. Lee is in no way overpowered, he has clear power curves that are obvious in his fluctuation in win rate with game time. If these nerfs go through with his ult CD increase, then he's going to need buffs late game or I guarantee you he's going to be absolute trash.
nGio7 votesHow many years can he be ranked a top 3 jungle in every elo before he gets dethroned? Don't worry, they'll cut his 5 ms, he'll still be top 3, and "we did something" will be enough for him to rule the jungle for another few years.
fuffychan4 votesIs this satire?
IcyPepper4 votesHis win rate doesn't even drop under 50% until past the 35-40 minute marker. How is that a "trash" late-game?
MrHaZeYo1 votesI'd imagine because that is late game lol.
IcyPepper2 votesI thought late-game was 30 minutes :/
I'm not 100% sure how to read the graph (since each point on the x-axis is a range rather than an integer), but I'm estimating he doesn't hit 50% win rate until 37 minutes... and then it hits 48% at 40+ minutes.
That's not a "trash" late-game. That's a slightly below average late-game. Compared to a 56% win rate at 25-30 minutes, his late-game doesn't nearly compensate for his early-to-mid game. There's no way around it, his power level is obviously skewed.
MrHaZeYo1 votesIt's more so prospective and each elo has different ones.
Early game is really your lane phase. Mid game starts at around 15-20mins and goes to about 30-35mins and late game is after.
Their is also Early Early, Mid Early, Late Early, Early Mid, Mid Mid, Late Mid, Early Late, Mid Late, and Late Late. Lee doesn't fall off untill the late late lol. so around 45mins +.
IcyPepper2 votesAnd even then, it's hardly "trash" :/
MrHaZeYo1 votesDepends on how you look at it.
Is Lee better than Elise or Kha late game? Maybe slightly. Is he better than Sej, Mao, Zac, Amumu, Yi, Olaf, J4, Vi, Hec, WW? No.
It really just depends on what you're looking for in a late game comp. Lee excels at early pressure but falls off in the sense that he isn't as tanky and doesn't do as much damage. He's basically a walking kick pin ball machine late game.
IcyPepper1 votesThere's no "depends how I look at it" approach here. I'm looking purely at numbers and nothing else.
I've been looking at it as a purely statistical point of view. Just Lee Sin. Only his win rate by game time. I'm not saying he has a great late-game, but the data supports the notion that it's merely mediocre, not "absolute trash" as OP claims.
Nahui4 votesThey're nerfing it so you can actually earn your ELO instead of spamming a freelo jungler.
chipndip13 votesLee's only a general elo threat in Plat+ if we're being realistic for once in our lives. Even then he's a coin toss on if you get a good one or not. In most peoples' games he loses more than he wins, but people won't be satisfied until he's complete limp dick trash, it seems.
He's not my champ, but this endless Lee hate is kind of annoying.
Sanctimonious1 votesGood Lee's are super scary. I always see lee picked, and wonder if i'll get to play league of legends or not. If he's good, he'll live in my lane and prevent me from scaling. But if he's bad, they have a 4v5 come mid game.
The good lee's seem a bit overbearing atm, maybe not completely in line with past seasons but it's pretty darn up there.
LyingOnLine1 votesMmm, blind tears.
The most delicious tears of all.
Denims Wrath6661 votesthese people saying he's great obviously doesn't play aram lee. its like a blind guy walking without his stick in that mode... that went to a great night at a casino and had way too much fun and he's always outta energy mid fight.
meowwow71 votesi never thought of lee sin as a problem but ofc i always play champs that can disrupt a dash or yet can shield my allies and myself from his burst [slayer-jinx-wink]
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