Zed Players Throw Games Like DBZ Villains?

WitchQueen Annie·Apr 14, 2018·15 votes·8,653 views

Is it me or do Zed players tend to lose the game in Ranked?

He's always banned but whenever he's picked, the person picking him goes CRAZY and destroys everyone. Then he starts getting cocky and instead of pushing objectives, moves around the map flashing masteries until he is out-scaled.

I am reminded of a DBZ villain who gets out-scaled, who could have defeated all the protagonists but wants to see how powerful he really is by letting the good guys train.

Is there something about the character Zed that brings about Cell/Vegeta syndrome?

22 Comments

Yaśuo MainApr 14, 20186 votes

the fact that he is pretty much a villain in lore and is able to kill squishies really fast can bring up the vegeta syndrome

FrostQueensPlaneApr 14, 20185 votes

It's because kids who pick Zed think they're actually good at the game. They don't realize that they have an even easier laning phase than most other ad mid laners in the game, and that's saying something, so when they get a lead in lane they think wow I'm good, overestimate what their skill actually is and then lose the game when they can't just press a button on the enemy adc because their e girl support has a higher stat'd button.

341123545652Apr 14, 20183 votes

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It's because kids who pick Zed think they're actually good at the game. They don't realize that they have an even easier laning phase than most other ad mid laners in the game, and that's saying something, so when they get a lead in lane they think wow I'm good, overestimate what their skill actually is and then lose the game when they can't just press a button on the enemy adc because their e girl support has a higher stat'd button.

Actually you are the cringiest type of people not zed players. Yea cause AFK farming / waveclearing mid champs take so much skill right? They are just completely on another level of skill compared to zed players right? Dam those 3 button mages that just press the same thing regardless of what they are vs or what scenario they are in are probably the most talented players right?

The reason why the game sucks is because players like you with giant egos have turned mid lane into a safe space afk farm zone for people too scared to have any interaction with the opponent laner cause if they , god forbid, died in lane they would get so offended and triggered they would have to go to the boards and complain about an entire group of champion mains. Can't wait until champions like zed and leblanc (after next patch) start showing up again in mid lane so we can restore the lane to its former skill-ful glory and not some afk farm space where ADC mains like tyler 1 can get autofilled and perform just as well as challenger mid laners cause all u do is farm!!!

FrostQueensPlaneApr 14, 20184 votes

It's always funny hearing kids who play broken laners talking about wanting more "interaction" like they're good, like it's them who's winning trades and not their champion handholding them through laning. The only thing you understand about "interacting" is picking a higher stat check and rolling your face at your opponent till you win. That's about the depth of your understanding of interaction. And when you can't do it because supports have higher stats than solo laners, you lose the game and then you whine about omg assassins so weak wahhhh. It's actually like watching someone pick pantheon, then crying about omg why won't ppl interact in lane. Omg muh micro so gud muh interaction.

But you keep kidding yourself, hanging on to the idea that zed or leblanc lmao takes skill to play in lane.

341123545652Apr 14, 20184 votes

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It's always funny hearing kids who play broken laners talking about wanting more "interaction" like they're good, like it's them who's winning trades and not their champion handholding them through laning. The only thing you understand about "interacting" is picking a higher stat check and rolling your face at your opponent till you win. That's about the depth of your understanding of interaction. And when you can't do it because supports have higher stats than solo laners, you lose the game and then you whine about omg assassins so weak wahhhh. It's actually like watching someone pick pantheon, then crying about omg why won't ppl interact in lane. Omg muh micro so gud muh interaction.

But you keep kidding yourself, hanging on to the idea that zed or leblanc lmao takes skill to play in lane.

The fact that you think assassins werent weak prior to recent patches shows your understanding of the game. You probably think you're insane at the game when you just afk farm or throw spells at people from 900 range. You probably think you are nuts when you press 3 buttons on your mage (the role that has dominated mid lane for the last year?) to 1 shot an ADC from 900 range. You probably think ur an insane laning genius when you pick anivia or aurelion sol and just clear the wave instantly and repeat 300x. Funny thing is zed players would probably beat you but then if you swap the matchup (you on zed and them on your champ) they would probably still beat you. Cant play against it , cant play as it.

Automated RivenApr 14, 20181 votes

I played Zed once in the last 2 years. I destroyed my mid opponent. He is a bit too powerful in lane at low elo IMHO. However. He should not be nerfed. People should just get good.

Weiss GuertenaApr 14, 20183 votes

Bringing up "no skill waveclear" as an issue when defending Zed, a champion notorious for having access to mage-level waveclear without a mana bar to worry about and easy-mode last hitting passive. Kinda ironic, isn't it?

Yaśuo MainApr 14, 20181 votes

No, as you actually have to hit all the minions in a path unlike a mage. You have to land both Q's and E's to take out the melee minions, at the same time the caster minions. Which most Zeds dont know how to do, they just throw W and EQ killing like, 3 minions

Weiss GuertenaApr 15, 20182 votes

Today we learned that only Zed actually has to hit things with his skillshots to do damage. Mages' skillshots all just like home in on things and then explode or something. And not like he has a free, no cooldown execution on AA's to secure any minions he might have missed. Oh, and as mentioned above, no mana - where a mage actually has to choose whether they use their resources to waveclear or trade.

Yaśuo MainApr 15, 20181 votes

Today we learned that only Zed actually has to hit things with his skillshots to do damage

Strawman lol

Mages' skillshots all just like home in on things and then explode or something

no but they are all high damage AOE which is better than Zeds "USE ENTIRE COMBO TO WAVECLEAR"

And not like he has a free, no cooldown

"NO COOLDOWN" even though auto attacks have cooldowns so technically yes it does

Oh, and as mentioned above, no mana

Because he is a ninja and he uses energy

where a mage actually has to choose whether they use their resources to waveclear or trade.

lol no they fucking dont. I play mages it does not matter either way, you wait until you get your first item and then mana management doesn't exist anymore. LOOL

Weiss GuertenaApr 16, 20181 votes

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Strawman lol

no but they are all high damage AOE which is better than Zeds "USE ENTIRE COMBO TO WAVECLEAR"

Like Xerath's narrow-ass Q? Or Ahri's delayed orb? Maybe Orianna's Q with her glorious 180 + 50% AP - yes, that will be oneshotting waves for sure. What about Lux and Morgana nerfed specifically so they can't just sit back and farm with their high-damage AOE?

"NO COOLDOWN" even though auto attacks have cooldowns so technically yes it does

No meaningful cooldown. My bad.

Because he is a ninja and he uses energy

"He's a ninja" isn't a balance argument. Might as well say that Bandit + Klepto GP was all fine and dandy because he's a pirate and plunders gold.

lol no they fucking dont. I play mages it does not matter either way, you wait until you get your first item and then mana management doesn't exist anymore. LOOL

And then opposing Zed murders you the moment he reaches level 6 because you didn't rush Seeker's.

Yaśuo MainApr 16, 20181 votes

Like Xerath's narrow-ass Q? Or Ahri's delayed orb? Maybe Orianna's Q with her glorious 180 + 50% AP - yes, that will be oneshotting waves for sure

Yes.

Late game, Zed is still gonna be using his entire combo and these said mages will atleast do 90% of all the minions HP. Especially Xerath.

"He's a ninja" isn't a balance argument

Yeah it is because that's the reason why they gave him energy

Might as well say that Bandit + Klepto GP was all fine and dandy because he's a pirate and plunders gold.

pretty sure giving a champion an energy resource is not the same as a champion using runes for gold.

And then opposing Zed murders you the moment he reaches level 6 because you didn't rush Seeker's.

Except he cant because he has to poke you down, wait till you blow everything, Ult, put down ANOTHER shadow and attempt to land a triple Q because iif he doesn't he either

A. Flashes in to secure a kill with E AA ignite using all his summs

B. stops trying to kill you due to jungler pressure and inability to secure a kill

C. Dies due to jungler

D. Dies due to mage CC under tower because mages have meaningful "cooldowns" as you imply

E. Fails to kill you anyway because seekers armguard + ninja tabi removes all of his kill pressure, which you SHOULD have anyway because assassins have to rush hexdrinker for braindead mage damage

No meaningful cooldown. My bad.

Well it didn't matter anyway because mages shouldn't be the only champions with that level of waveclear. Just because he has a passive dedicated to helping him waveclear/CS doesn't mean you can baby rage over it because your CS skills are utter garbage due to the fact you clearly do not play ad casters, assassins or any top laner that is AD since you think his passive is problematic.

Weiss GuertenaApr 17, 20181 votes

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Yes.

Late game, Zed is still gonna be using his entire combo and these said mages will atleast do 90% of all the minions HP. Especially Xerath.

Late game isn't the problem, laning is.

Yeah it is because that's the reason why they gave him energy

Kayn is a member of the same ninja order as Zed and he uses mana. Lee Sin is most certainly not a ninja and yet he uses energy. Again, lore not a balance argument or we'd have Aurelion Sol casually 1v5'ing all day.

pretty sure giving a champion an energy resource is not the same as a champion using runes for gold.

It is equally dumb to call it balanced because it fits the character lore.

Except he cant because he has to poke you down, wait till you blow everything, Ult, put down ANOTHER shadow and attempt to land a triple Q because iif he doesn't he either

A. Flashes in to secure a kill with E AA ignite using all his summs

Like any champion does when going all-in. Except he likely won't need Flash unless his opponent uses theirs first.

B. stops trying to kill you due to jungler pressure and inability to secure a kill

You get a free warding trinket to prevent that kind of things. Use it.

C. Dies due to jungler

See B.

D. Dies due to mage CC under tower because mages have meaningful "cooldowns" as you imply

If Zed towerdives an opponent with hard CC available and off cooldown and subsequently dies, then all the fault lies within the player being a scrub and none within the champion.

E. Fails to kill you anyway because seekers armguard + ninja tabi removes all of his kill pressure, which you SHOULD have anyway because assassins have to rush hexdrinker for braindead mage damage

Congratulations! Your forced you opponent into wasting gold on items with no significant AP, mana or mana regen just by the virtue of existing. Now you can freely shove them under tower with your resourceless waveclear and once they run out of mana trying to compete gank another lane, pick up a kill and continue to snowball. Also got to love how every mage is apparently "braindead" now while Zed apparently requires inhuman amounts of skill to function. The level of bias is unreal here.

Well it didn't matter anyway because mages shouldn't be the only champions with that level of waveclear. Just because he has a passive dedicated to helping him waveclear/CS doesn't mean you can baby rage over it because your CS skills are utter garbage due to the fact you clearly do not play ad casters, assassins or any top laner that is AD since you think his passive is problematic.

And we finally get to insults. Thanks for admitting that you have no more real arguments available with that. But still, let me indulge you on why resourceless waveclear on an assassin is problematic - Zed can win lane if he's good, but as long as the player behind him has half a brain it is impossible for him to lose lane due to easy-mode waveclear and last hitting. Best case scenario: win lane and snowball. Worst case scenario: go even in farm. That just isn't healthy for the game.

Yaśuo MainApr 17, 20181 votes

Kayn is a member of the same ninja order as Zed and he uses mana. Lee Sin is most certainly not a ninja and yet he uses energy. Again, lore not a balance argument or we'd have Aurelion Sol casually 1v5'ing all day.

They gave him energy because he is a ninja and he'd be balanced with it

Kennen and Akali and Shen are also ninjas and they use energy

Late game isn't the problem, laning is.

Good because mages shouldn't be decent at all stages of the game, because that's broken

it is equally dumb to call it balanced because it fits the character lore.

well if you were smart enough to actually visualize what zed would be with any other resource

mana: spams abilities much more

no resource: self explanatory

Like any champion does when going all-in

Lol no. Akali can burst you down, Xerath can combo you to rotate to R, Ahri can combo you to rotate to R, Brand can combo you to rotate to R, they all do the same crap. Not one mage that does not burst you down instead of repeatedly poking you, and if they do then they are a garbage champion right now.

You get a free warding trinket to prevent that kind of things. Use it.

I dont think you understand when Zed uses his W, he literally can not do anything about a gank. He could only just walk to his tower. That's why Zed would probably stop trying to kill you

See B.

C is different this time because Zed will die no matter what

If Zed towerdives an opponent with hard CC available and off cooldown and subsequently dies, then all the fault lies within the player being a scrub and none within the champion.

No. The statement was supposed to mean that mages had low cooldowns anyway so Zed would probably die even if their CC was just used 2 seconds ago.

Your forced you opponent into wasting gold on items with no significant AP, mana or mana regen just by the virtue of existing

And mages do the same thing back, by making them force merc treads (with a useless passive so wasted gold as well) and hexdrinker, which not only will hexdrinker force you to buy it early on but its useless mid game because it builds into NONE of your own items, unlike seekers which is constant armor. You have to get low to proc hexdrinker, you dont with seekers.

And mages have significant damage to build seekers and tabi regardless, zed will not. If hexdrinker gave just 10 AD it would be a horrid item, it functions as a tax right now anyway.

Now you can freely shove them under tower with your resourceless waveclear and once they run out of mana trying to compete gank another lane

Shove them under tower = open to ganks which does not bode well with how zed has to waveclear and what happens if a gank ensues

mage wont run out of mana unless they suck at the game, or atleast at mages

ganking other lanes will open the opponent mage to shove into your own tower, deny you CS and get catchup XP.

Yeah sounds like shoving people under their tower constantly is "OP"

pick up a kill

gathering the information you blurted out you probably would never get a kill with Zed without help as long as the opponent is decent at the game, because you do not just pick up a kill and the other enemy laners suddenly neglect zed is not on the map and he's roaming.

lso got to love how every mage is apparently "braindead" now while Zed apparently requires inhuman amounts of skill to function. The level of bias is unreal here

I played Lux before, I played Ahri, I played Ziggs, I've played a lot of mages before. They are "braindead" in the comparison to Zed (if he isn't fed). There is no bias, mages have small amounts of skill expression besides macro play and mobility outplays.

impossible for him to lose lane due to easy-mode waveclear and last hitting

makes sense because he has to keep up in farm to even be relevant in the laning phase

Thanks for admitting that you have no more real arguments available with that

i did not insult you i insulted mages and ur skill at Csing
you literally spat out riot style "did you try turning it off and on again" solutions that imply the enemy is an idiot

ZJD123Apr 14, 20185 votes

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It's because kids who pick Zed think they're actually good at the game. They don't realize that they have an even easier laning phase than most other ad mid laners in the game, and that's saying something, so when they get a lead in lane they think wow I'm good, overestimate what their skill actually is and then lose the game when they can't just press a button on the enemy adc because their e girl support has a higher stat'd button.

Infact I bet its the opposite, I bet zed players who have been playing a garbage champ for the last 6 months+. A few of which were vs 6 min stopwatch, shielding supports, have probably developed more skills. And now that their champ is op, the good ones are just rampaging.

5000000000000000Apr 14, 20184 votes

Zed seems to have a fairly solid ~51% win rate. He has a fairly weak late game though (like any assassin), so it might just be due to games not being closed out quick enough.

3TWarriorApr 14, 20182 votes

actually, only cell "allowed" the heroes to train. He gave a ten day time limit to the heroes and the world to come and challenge him on the tenth day and if no one could win, he would destroy the world.

At that point, he was so powerful that no one could scratch him, so it was fairly justified along with that he was air quote immortal

Every other villain in the series either had a personal reason for the time given to the heroes or did not give them time at all and basically was enjoying torturing the main characters to death while they held out in desperation

Dasdi96Apr 14, 20181 votes

I find that the usual zed player is that edgy guy who says “don’t end i need more kills so i can get all the girls.” They actually think that the only way to impress girls is by chasing kills.

AptestApr 14, 20181 votes

1 I've seen the phenomenon you're talking about 2 not specific to ZED players. 3 ZED doesn't have more of this than other champions. 4 if you Stop playing normals and start playing ranked, the situation will resolve itself.

Zed geniusApr 14, 20181 votes

I can confirm

XxAlbaTraoZxXApr 14, 20181 votes

i think zed is currently a very week champion , has no impact in team fights , everyone has a ga or zonya or a shield , 0 dmg everyteamfight no matter how fed the zed is ...........

DarkSoul1994Apr 17, 20181 votes

This applies to several champions who appeal to players for their outplay potential. The issue is that all these players want to do is 1v1 all game with little-to-no regard for what's best for the team.

Riven Zed Yasuo Vayne Lucian (there's another 5 or so champions in addition to these)

It's not even that these champions get out-scaled. It's more to do with the fact that the longer the game goes, the more volatile the team fights are. If a fed player AFK farms for 20 minutes after they win lane, team fights go from having ~80-20 odds of them winning to 50-50 odds and much longer death timers.