Okay these recent nerfs were god awful. The Q now heals for nothing.
And what the hell? 8% on the E AND the super high cool downs? WHAT?!
I mean, the 8% practically means Vlad pays NO HEALTH and does NO DAMAGE with it for most of the game. So much for high risk high pay offs they were supposed to be promoting.
Fuck the LCS.
Count Zubat13 votesOh look, another champion rework in one of class updates went into dumpster. Goodbye , my sweet prince, you have joined 
and 
into the club of champions killed by shitty class reworks.
Meep Man2 votesMalz is bad now? Like, I know his Passive got nerfed, but the rest of his kit is still the same.
Pandemic Punch4 votesThe meta is changing as well. Malzahar is great, but he takes too long to ramp up. If you could rely on your team to not feed or lose their towers 2 minutes in, then he will still be super duper strong.
OokamiNoSora5 votesRip hes not been the same since the rework..I dont even like his passive. the reason ppl think hes to strong. I would l love to see them revert him like theyre doing with 
. I would also be sad about but at very least they are going to try to give him a full rework and a vu so fingers crossed ..
EndlessCycle2 votesWhere have they said they're reverting Kogmaw?
Eternya5 votesHere:
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/NZK9A5NP-upcoming-kogmaw-changes
TLDR: Given that prior to the update, Kog’Maw was a unique and sustainable design that represented a strong long-term direction for the champion, we are partially reverting his update.
Specifically, his W will no longer break the attack speed cap, apply only half damage from AD, or increase attack speed gained from items, and we’ll be looking at tweaks to his other basic spells to support that direction. We are not reverting changes to his ultimate, however.
Keepe10 votesGiven that prior to the update, Kog’Maw was a unique and sustainable design that represented a strong long-term direction for the champion
You mean like Vlad, Malz, Swain, and Mord?
Good effing gods, it seems nine times out of ten they choose to rework these people just to be able to say "We gave them newish kits!" instead of sitting down and thinking "Is this a good kit, and is it fitting with the identity set with the original?"
So bloody far, I can say the only reworks Riot's put out that I can say were good for the champion and the game are Sion and arguably Ryze.
Katarina, meh, you just basically retooled her to be more AP orientated.
Eve, still a bit of a pain, but is basically the same.
Yorick, I cannot be ashed.
Ryze, can't do damage in a team fight worth shiz, but has potential.
Karma, took a unique champion and turned her into just another AP caster. I am so impressed.
Sion, good job.
Mord... Hey Riot, why is it you treat the PBE as a fricken showcase for new garbage rather than an environment to test the stupidity you decide to throw out there? Key word being test. Because there's no way the new Mord should have EVER been allowed to leave the PBE.
Vlad, so. You tuned down his passive so he gets less AP from bonus health (there goes a huge piece of identity when a fully built one with Visage, Scepter, and Torment gives him 30-40 ap last I checked), you make his tides of blood frankly idiotic (Oh look, that one minion moved randomly, I guess you don't get to hit the enemy champion) as well as poorly animated (it sincerely looks like they just stopped caring with it's animation/particles because frankly it looks like a badly made fan-chroma)... You had to buff the healing from his Q because for some reason Riot magically decided Spell Vamp was not a thing. (There goes half of my builds.) and now you're turning this mess of a champion into more of a mess by nerfing him to the ground. In short, Original Gangplank, nerfed time and time again until he was literally nerfed out of the meta. New Gangplank, look familiar? Now they're doing it with Vlad.
I could go on, particularly on Swain since he was my favorite champion since season two, but I won't. This post is long enough.
Will say this much, though.
PBE, GET THOSE GRIEVOUS WOUNDS OFF OF MUNDO'S CLEAVER. NOW.
It Hertz When IP2 votesWait wtf? Who thought putting GW on his cleaver was a good idea?
Seriously, WTF? That makes no sense thematically, no sense gameplay-wise, and no sense balance-wise. Might as well randomly add a Blind to Varus' Q.
Hawkefire2 votesSo what you are saying is, riot completely missed the point for why the rework failed and instead of fixing it by reverting some of the changes to his ult (so that the ap build is actually viable again, and thus giving kog more options and depth), they have decided to pretty much ignore that and just keep trucking ahead doing whatever they want.
God it shocks me how clueless riot can be sometimes.
Count Zubat3 votesat very least they are going to try to give him a full rework and a vu so fingers crossed ..
I wouldn't be surprised to see his rework at season 8 or later...
morris12 votesYeah, season 7 is 
and probably 
along with some 
(excluding class reworks).
Adriqnohee2 votesI like how you just named Ryze out of the blue.
Beoridas1 votesthey did mention Irelia also.
Acheron161 votesRip
They've reverted Kog's rework, so there's hope.
Though Mordekaiser is still trash and Vlad is even worse...
JDB8eoX8x01 votesI don't know why people beat on Morde so much... I have a lot of fun playing him as an immortal tank support. One E in a teamfight refreshes my 1200 HP worth of shield every 3 seconds... I guess people miss old, oppressive Morde.
Count Zubat3 votesMorde isn't bad right now, but it took half a year to bring him to the current state, which still is pretty much shadow of his former self. And new Morde can also be very opressive, but not trough 24/7 pushing power he had before, now he is opressive through his sheer dueling power. Well played Morde will just zone his enemy from farm, because if enemy goes near him, Morde will easily outtrade him with his huge damage, passive shield and W heal. Oh, and yes, I miss old Morde.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesOkay so i enjoyed playing old morde back in season 3 in midlane. New morde all i knew about was that he is now playing botlane and i never touched him or looked up his kit. Is it now possible to play him top? Or does his W still rely on teammates? I'd actually like to pick him up once in a while
Count Zubat1 votesHe's pretty good top laner and some also play him as a control counter-ganking jungler. His botlane playstyle is pretty much non-existant right now. When he is completely alone, he can use only healing part of his W, but he doesn't need allied champion for the damage part, as he can use W on ally minions. Try him out, he works pretty good as tanky AP dps.
R FLASH XD2 votes[{quoted}](name=Ophelia Dusk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kJwb1eY0,comment-id=00070002,timestamp=2016-09-09T14:31:04.360+0000)
I don't know why people beat on Morde so much... I have a lot of fun playing him as an immortal tank support. One E in a teamfight refreshes my 1200 HP worth of shield every 3 seconds... I guess people miss old, oppressive Morde.
Morde is not a god damned support......wtf is wrong with people, why would you think he's a support?He has 0 LITERALLY 0 cc.He only offers a conditional heal and that's all.
Count Zubat1 votesSometimes I like to play support Mordekaiser just for fun. When people question my pick, I tell them: "I'm just like Soraka, but with shitloads of damage". Just, I don't recommend doing that competively, Morde needs a lot of exp and gold, and support role doesn't really provide you with that. But if you want to play something funny and derpy, why not, just better do that with some friend who's gonna play adc (in normals, of course).
option paralysis6 votesI always knew since the rework he's gonna get nerfed to the ground, his win rate is 44% right now and it's not gonna get any better. You can still make him work, but in solo q, you don't always have 20 mins to farm up and then play the game, it's over by then most of the time. They gave him too much counterplay on his 2 second window of crimson rush and E getting blocked, but then compensated with 1k++ heals and hp scaling on E. I don't see how in their minds he should've been balanced and less toxic than before. Also, blood lord skin was WAAAAAY more badass before too. They fucked up literally everything on him.
WitchQueen Annie5 votesITS SO FUCKING SAD.
I was carrying so hard with him in Ranked. Hell, I managed to make him work even WHEN they changed his passive back to the old one (so I can't just spam tank items), WHEN they changed the Q base damage down, WHEN they increased the Pool cool down and shaved some movement speed...
But now this is just too much...
Its really sad because he's by far the coolest champ in the game. But now I can no longer spam him and can only keep him on reserve as a counter pick option. This SUCKS HARD...
I guess its back to spamming 
before Riot gets around to ruining her as well.
Keti1 votesmaybe you'd have a stronger champion pool if you played champions that didn't play themselves
WitchQueen Annie1 votesExcuse me? But Vladimir does not play himself. If he did he wouldn't have a less than 50% win rate even before the nerfs.
Also, I never disclosed my entire champion pool so I don't see how you can jump to these conclusions.
Keti1 votesthat doesn't make any sense. ease of use does not = strength... at least outside of bronze.
there are a lot of sites one can use to look someone up btw lol
WitchQueen Annie1 votesI never said ease of use = strength
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesRip old vladimir. First champ i did a pentakill in ranked... Literally walked in 1v5, ulted them and took them off.
Project omen1 votesAlso, blood lord skin was WAAAAAY more badass before too. They fucked up literally everything on him.
FINALLY someone gets it.
Weathered6 votesTo quote a Korean coach and master tier player loosely:
"Well Korea determined Vlad was garbage a while ago so good luck with him in soloq"
Unstoppable Monk5 votes"My OP champ got nerfed, now I can't win for picking a champion anymore."
Yeah, duh.
WitchQueen Annie8 votesExcept there are lots of god awful Vlad players
Spizzle90006 votesOP? That's why he has a winrate of 45.6% or so top lane, right?
Now, before you give me something like, "Oh you're just saying that because you want freelo and you only play him to win games and he's super OP in the LCS," you're wrong. I have mained Vladimir for two and a half years so yeahhhh I don't play him for freelo, but having him not be absolute shit outside of LCS is nice.
I understand that Vladimir is doing insanely well in the LCS, but perhaps Riot can change the system so the top players have a totally different balance system than the rest of the 99.99% of the community who gets their main turned into fucking shit because there are 10 or so people in the world who destroy as him.
It Hertz When IP4 votesThat would make too much sense.
Spizzle90003 votesYup, why would we do that when instead we can leave Vladimir almost unplayable like Riot did when they first released him, then promptly nerfed into the dust?
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesWell from what i read here (haven't played new vlad outside one aram game) is that he is still a lategame monster. That's why he is an issue in the LCS imo considering every game lasts 30+ minutes of farm only with a few gank kills here and there...
Spizzle90001 votesNow, I will not lie and say that he has a poor late game, but the average game of LoL has farming often ending as early as 10 minutes sometimes, although it's more often 15. In normals, no one protects the Vladimir like they do in LCS. It's rare people farm that long in normals. Things like these are why I believe Riot must balance pro play and the highest ranks completely separately: because the games are so drastically different there compared to the everyday LoL player's game and you damn well know I'm sick and tired of having my champions gutted because there are 250 Koreans out there who abuse the hell out of my champion while I'm stuck getting my main for 2 and a half damn years dumpstered.
RcGjWO640w4 votesVlad's Q doesn't heal or deal any damage for shit outside of its proc anyways, to be completely fair.
WitchQueen Annie5 votesWell now the Proc too feels SOOOO bad...
Like it heals for almost ZILCH. I just tried it... SOOOO bad...
Damn it, I guess I can no longer cheese anyone outside of Bronze with him pre-6 anymore. FOUR EXTRA SECONDS on E is also insane...
Project omen4 votesI agree, the nerfs were not needed. I'm ok with the cd increase on his E, but that's it. It wasn't enough that they nerfed his base movement speed and his W not too long ago. The worst part is when you have the delusion that Rito will revert the changes after the championship.
Enosetc4 votesuntil vlad can no longer viably rush spirit visage as a goddamn mage, i'll be fine with any nerf he gets
Spizzle90004 votesHave you read Riot's new, updated champion classification system? It has Vladimir under a very different kind of mage, a kind that is like their equivalent of a juggernaut.
He is supposed to rush Spirit Visage, my child. His whole shtick is healing and being a tanky mage, so it's only logical that he would rush an item which increases your healing, gives CDR, MR, and health. Riot even has it listed as one of the suggested items for Vladimir, for Christ's sake! This is like bitching that Garen can build a Black Cleaver!
Enosetc3 votesHave you read Riot's new, updated champion classification system? It has Vladimir under a very different kind of mage, a kind that is like their equivalent of a juggernaut.
He is supposed to rush Spirit Visage, my child. His whole shtick is healing and being a tanky mage, so it's only logical that he would rush an item which increases your healing, gives CDR, MR, and health. Riot even has it listed as one of the suggested items for Vladimir, for Christ's sake! This is like bitching that Garen can build a Black Cleaver!
http://puu.sh/r5VCC/a03f5e1e3d.png
they nerfed him because of his effectiveness while only having a defensive item
you can miss me with that condescending "my child" bullshit, ty
Spizzle90003 votesIf him building way too many health items and still doing damage is the issue they have with him, then perhaps they should give him some compensation buffs to AP ratios so there's actually more reason to get AP first?
And, I apologize. Where I come from, using terms like "son," "child," and the like aren't used condescendingly usually. It's a Southern thing.
NineTailedMystic1 votesIt's not him building tanky top lane, its that building Spirit Visage mid lane makes it impossible for any non-AD mid laner to deal with him while he still gets some damage out of it.
Spizzle90001 votesWell, it's simple. Lower the scaling for getting AP from health on his passive and the scaling on his E, which they just did, but then it is imperative they give him some boosts to his AP scalings in order to compensate for being absolute trash in the top lane, even before these pretty heavy nerfs.
Spizzle90002 votesTHANK YOU. Now, I will say that I enjoy the rework because his kit is more fun for me to play as (and against in a lot of situations), but honestly balancing him is total bullshit. If he's even able to be a bit below average in regular play in terms of performance, he dumpsters in the LCS. I honestly think that the LCS should have an entirely different balance system so that way the 99.99% of players who aren't in the LCS can actually fucking use champions without them being dumpstered because like ten people in the world abuse the hell out of the champion.
Fuck the LCS.
Bird Brains2 votesHigh Skill Cap Champion Tuned for worlds disregard, he will be buffed for plebs shortly with some lame excuse, dont worry.
Spizzle90003 votesBy plebeians, do you mean the 99.999% of players who are stuck with Vladimir having a 45% winrate? Oh, and this is before the nerfs from this patch.
