Janna's lane is almost as noninteractive as Soraka's was. Least you had to regularly dodge Soraka Q's. Janna just has to sit back and shield her ADC over and over again. And don't even bring up this Janna Ezreal BS.
Mordepool36 votesI can't say anything bad about Janna cause I paid 1.99/minute and she took my breath away
Dryditch31 votesIsn't it $2.49, or did she give you a discount?
Mysticman8925 votes2.95 a min guys, geeze.
Source: Uh...a friend.
Dryditch12 votesOh, sorry. I always get a special rate, so I forgot.
Silmaril36 votesJanna has been freelo ever since she was put into league. I don't think she's ever once dropped below a 53% winrate, or at the least not been a top 3 support, in the 7 years she's been in the game.
People just don't care because she doesn't get kills.
manbearswine1 votesPeople just don't care because she doesn't get kills.
Neither does sorcyka, and we hate her guts.
MohawkBird2 votes[deleted]
manbearswine1 votesBut with Soraka's power we see the enemies health bars actively go from 0 to full in a short time span.
See when sorcyka, without interacting with anything undoes hard work which you've had to outplay your opponent to achieve, people get frustrated, afking should not be a viable playstyle.
Janna's power seems to be more hidden and underappreciated, at least in my elo.
Nah, sorcyka is just obnoxious, people are aware of what janna does.
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manbearswine1 votesThat's mainly why I qualified it by saying it was mainly in my elo that people don't appreciate the power of Janna. I rarely ever see Janna and no one every complains about her in Silver.
The only reason they complain about raka is because other elos did it first, and as op stated janna isn't complained as much about, so naturally the sheep of the lower elos can't copy something which isn't as prominent in the higher elos.
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manbearswine1 votesEhh I'd beg to differ there. Focus is really wonky in this elo which makes her even more of a pain in the ass to deal with.
People in lower elos focus on kills, aside from that they all whine about either everything or nothing, they are only consistent if something is crazy broken, is highly likely to get 20 kills, or is complained about by higher elos.
People think using all the burst on someone else instead of the raka is better, while she just sits back and heals.
I hate to be the one telling you this but focusing raka is a luxury which is generally unavailable, her kit allows her very safe positioning, so she ends up doing this in higher elo as well, it's not misplaying, it's how sorcyka works.
It Hertz When IP2 votesIt's more because when Janna shields her ADC, if you wait it out the shield disappears, whereas Soraka's heals don't expire after a matter of seconds. Also, Janna has no global presence.
Chief Mayonnaise2 votesYeah, but that shield lasts 5 seconds. That's 5 seconds where you can't really trade with the ADC because they have extra AD on you and any damage they take will be blocked by the shield.
RocketRelm1 votesNo global presence anymore. Used to, though.
Ariel the Cruel23 votesJanna played optimally is actually more interactive than Soraka. But in general . . .
When played passively, Janna is preemptive response where Soraka is an erasure. The perception these methods create is significantly different.
Janna has to plan her moves well in advance. Shield preventss damage and AD is lost when it breaks, Tornado has to visibly/audibly charge to be worth more than an interrupt, Her slow removes her own move speed and anti-collision, she has to be in front of allies to use her passive, and her ult has a giant cooldown with a high risk channel for the heal. Every ability she has comes with a trade-off somewhere. When Janna succeeds, it is because she out-played you.
Soraka on the hand. . . the only trade-off in her kit is the 10% max health cost per heal. But with base numbers, 1 Q will pay 1 heal and the heal gets bigger. Then she has her ult to boot! What makes her perception even more frustrating is that she lacks most of the preemptive calculations Janna needs. She doesn't have to out-play or predict. Heals, by their nature, erase events. Bad engage? Heal. Poor trade? Heal. Turret dive/dove? Heal. DoT? Heal. This is also what makes healers such bitter elements in PvP environments. Anything Janna doesn't stop out-right sticks. With healers (Soraka being League's preeminent healer) those things simply no longer happened.
Don't get me wrong, both champions function to effectively negate your actions. But Janna prevents them before or during while Soraka simply decides after the fact that they didn't happen. One is infinitely more frustrating than the other.
Chief Mayonnaise2 votesI like your analysis. I will agree that proactive shielding is far more difficult to pull off than reactive healing.
However, healing is affected by Grievous Wounds, which almost halves its usefulness,whereas shielding is unaffected by it.
Janna's shield lasts a very long time, forcing you to trade while it's up, or disengage and wait for it to fall off. It has a downtime of only 5 seconds, not including any CD reduction. Janna's shield also happens to be instant cast, so whether or not I can surprise her with damage before she puts her shield up is based entirely on her reaction time.
Soraka's kit also forces her to interact with enemy laners, which limits how much she can do depending on how good her opponents are at dodging. Janna's shielding is only limited by her mana. Personally, I never see Janna's starving for mana nowadays, but I could be wrong on that point.
Both are frustrating, but theyr'e different kinds of frustrating. Soraka erases trades after they happen. But Janna shielding her ADC means I will lose any trades for the next 5 seconds, no matter which ADC or support i'm playing, unless their ADC makes a very bad play.
I really wish it had either a longer CD, shorter up time, or a cast time. Maybe it wouldn't be as bad if it was affected by grievous wounds, but I don't think it's really that bad outside of laning phase because team damage can usually burn through it quicker than she can put it out.
Ariel the Cruel2 votesHowever, healing is affected by Grievous Wounds, which almost halves its usefulness,whereas shielding is unaffected by it.
Yes. But we're talking about perception. People don't see the impact of grievous wounds. If they did, I wouldn't always have to build it on my supports.
Personally, I never see Janna's starving for mana nowadays, but I could be wrong on that point.
Unless the ADC is bat-shit insane (Yes you, Vayne) or enemy jungle sets up shop in our lane, mana management generally isn't that hard after first or second back.
Both are frustrating, but theyr'e different kinds of frustrating.
That was the entire point. They both invalidate actions. Soraka is perceived as much more infuriating - even though Janna has almost always been stronger statistically.
falldown0101 votesalso janna is one of those few champs who needs her adc to follow up the worst thing i get when i play jenna is an adc, who doesnt pay attencion i keep the enemy disabled, and keep the supp away from him, shield my adc he proceed to get more cs , escpially vs tanky supports, lategame they get so tanky
or an adc who is used to leona supp .. and expect you to stun them for 8 sec + so he can just aa while the enemy can do nothing durning those seconds
Ariel the Cruel1 votesalso janna is one of those few champs who needs her adc to follow up
This also applies to Soraka.
SpecterVonBaren1 votesI wish more heals were more like Nami's where there's two purposes to it so that using it to erase a bad trade or something is inefficient. Janna's heal on ult is also like this since it's tied to a powerful knockback.
Partholonian1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=t9wpwtTb,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2016-10-23T08:10:38.258+0000)
She doesn't have to out-play or predict. Heals, by their nature, erase events. Bad engage? Heal. Poor trade? Heal. Turret dive/dove? Heal. DoT? Heal.
Enemy keeps juking your Q? Don't heal, or you'll die.
I mean, even aside from ignite and running her out of mana, both of which are real things, she is so dependent on landing a slow skillshot. You think that doesn't take outplays and prediction? Why don't you try it then?
Ariel the Cruel2 votesSupport main. I'm more than familiar with her Q.
Remember, the topic is perception.
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=t9wpwtTb,comment-id=001000030000,timestamp=2016-10-24T03:35:07.426+0000)
Support main. I'm more than familiar with her Q. Remember, the topic is perception.
Absolute nonsense.
What matters are statistics, what matters are results, not nonsense like "perception". In Diamond Pride no one is going to be affected by a nonexistent abstract concept, what they will be affected is by an overpowered character. Soraka was overpowered and thus, got nerfed. Janna has never been "overpowered" but gets nerfed anyway because her kit has always been incredibly safe.
Ariel the Cruel2 votesOP asked why Soraka is complained for being non-interactive more than Janna when they both effectively negate action. My answer is that Soraka's play style is perceived as more frustrating. This has nothing to do with actual strengths and weaknesses.
Unless you want to claim that the forum's mob mentality is grounded solidly in statistics and results. I think we both know better than that.
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=t9wpwtTb,comment-id=00100003000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-28T22:03:39.701+0000)
OP asked why Soraka is complained for being non-interactive more than Janna
OP's nonsense was expressing incredulity over how one support is not like the other. Such nonsense is easily dismissed by competent players.
My answer is that Soraka's play style is perceived as more frustrating.
Irrelevant.
Soraka was overpowered, she got nerfed. Janna is not overpowered, she will (Hopefully) not get nerfed (again). That is reality and the only thing that matters.
Ariel the Cruel2 votesDD. . .
You dismiss the question as nonsense, then claim the answer is irrelevant for the same reason. Your statement is not wrong, but your response is entirely out of context.
I place great stock in your analytic ability and generally enjoy your debates, but there's nothing here to even discuss. We're addressing two different things.
Big Lincoln20 voteswe do
but nobody cares and they never gain any traction
because Janna makes melees invalid all by herself and league players secretly like that
Ahristocats5 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=t9wpwtTb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-22T23:31:40.040+0000)
because Janna makes melees invalid all by herself and league players secretly like that
C10 Rekkles1 votes[deleted]
manbearswine3 votesThresh Is considered range just saying.
He meant that thresh and braum invalidate melees too.
Or at least I'm fairly sure he meant that... They are both very strong peelers.
Ahristocats2 voteshow is this related? thresh and braum prevents any melee from moving in late game.
TyrekGoldenspear13 votesWhy can't people just play a farmlane and not try to burn summoner spells just to get kills? CS gets you gold too. But no, people just have to get kills and disengage supports and healer supports are suddenly toxic just because they keep people from getting killed.
I mean, we complain about too much damage and these supports don't do damage and in fact discourage confrontation, but now they're toxic! >.> Heavy breathing
Immortal spax5 votesIts incredible how people keep using the word "toxic" for everything, you do something? = toxic
Ruin Lance12 votesit's because the vocal majority isn't complaining about her.
you are right though, she's freelo. one of the best enablers in the game combined with tons of disengage causing melees to develop cancer leaves her at an insane ~54% winrate over countless patches.
a lot of people don't play her because of her overly-simple and boring. this doesn't change the fact though that she is in-fact freelo.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo4 votesso question if you dont mind... a hypothetical if you will.... if she isnt played alot due to her boring kit and only the ones who do play her are or would be consider "janna " mains cuz of her popularity wouldnt a person who mains a champ have a higher then average win rate on that champ? therefore if only the " janna mains" are playing her cuz "alot of people dont play her because of her overly simple and boring " her win rate might be above average? in that same question if she was more popular and picked more often and more people played her with out being experienced or good on her ( not a janna main) her over all win rate average would drop?
or is it a product of items ? 
or masteries like windspeaker blessing and runic armor ? or a product of meta of hyper mobile heavy dive team comps? and with her being a disengage champ would counter the meta of dive comps make her strong due to that ? kinda similar to zyra being played cuz in essence she is a disengage champ instead of an "engage" champ.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo7 votes
over a support who has utility and cant all in you or do real damage
xToxicOsirisx8 votesSoraka was the same. Didn't stop anybody from wanting her to get nerfed and Riot eventualyl delivered.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votesand the way you beat raka was an agressive lane and support and take ignite on your support and all in her and focus her and force her out of lane so she couldnt spam heals
how you beat janna is wait til her Q is on cd which is a decently long cd and all in her... not the adc cuz she shields the adc and she is weak no escape and her disengage is on cd
and its isnt janna that is broken its masteries like windspeaker blessing and runic armor and items like
dont blame the champ when the champ is doing the same thing it always did....
xToxicOsirisx5 votesYou know I will agree with the masteries and items being broken. It isn't her Q that I don't like. It's her E. Every Janna I see just spams her E on the ADC and waits to use her Q whenever the enemy tries to engage. It's also hard to engage her cause she stands behind her ADC in shield range. If you do manage to get on top of her, she still has her slow to stop engages as well.
It also forces you spend resources on somebody who doesn't do any damage. If the enemy ADC is smart, they'll go in on the ADC and get free damage on them.
The only way it ends up being unfavorable is if Janna or the ADC screws up.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo6 votes
kinda make janna's life hell
and 
but its not just bot lane
junglers like
or high mobile damage dealers like 
Fairyfleur9 votesI've found 
is also good into Janna.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votesyea she is... she can poke down janna or the adc she can out sustain janna and she can use her ult to stun janna from using her ult or q or shield i have history of playing both as a support main.... a good /great janna knows how to flash ult into the middle of fight and counter the enemy and win the fight for her team ( what a janna be aggressive ? ) and when you are sona... you can wait for her to do that and then flash ult her and blow her ass up for her using her ult (only heal) and her flash but yep janna is broken and has no counter play
Bhagswag2 votesYou ever played Braum into Janna? Rip wind babe.
TIME TO LOSE KID1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=t9wpwtTb,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-22T23:52:13.125+0000)
kinda make janna's life hell
and
but its not just bot lane
junglers like
or high mobile damage dealers like
Rengar, Nidalee, Ekko, Xin-Zhao Kha'Zix, Riven, Yi, Wukong, Yasuo, Talon, Zed make Janna's life hell?
What? Think you might have that the other way around bud
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes[{quoted}](name=TIME TO LOSE KID,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=t9wpwtTb,comment-id=000000000000000000000003,timestamp=2016-10-23T21:05:27.887+0000)
Rengar, Nidalee, Ekko, Xin-Zhao Kha'Zix, Riven, Yi, Wukong, Yasuo, Talon, Zed make Janna's life hell?
What? Think you might have that the other way around bud
janna cant detect stealth
she cant beat multi dashes
nor survive burst she is squishy and will die protecting adc
Verdade2 votesAs a support main i disagree. Janna is good, but very counterable with right tools and tactics. She's good when soloing, but she has VERY hard time against coordinated players. If i want to play supp that can keep my ADC safe im going to pick morgana over Janna anytime.
TotalJerk2 votesQ max Soraka actually did damage, but they repeatedly gutted Q and forced you to put points into W for it to be useful.
AdamFrostyBeast1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=t9wpwtTb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-10-22T23:22:29.500+0000)
over a support who has utility and cant all in you or do real damage
janna main triggered
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesnope haven't played janna since 6.20.2016 last time I played her... but people always cry and bitch about something... that is what 90 % of the boards are