Kindred's W and base armor gave too much sustain in the jungle for an ADC

Last I checked it was mainly the knock back effect that made his clear good.

I was about to call you high, and then I read the thread.

Kindred still needs flat AD runes or their clear is too slow.

Edit: uhm, sorry Kindred mains, didn't mean to upset you/them/whatever.

i mean im all for shit talking graves but it makes sense for a champion thats win ratio drops to bellow 50% after 30 min to have easier early clears than the champion thats win ratio starts rising to 54% after 30 min.

Graves is no longer an ADC, as the key ability of an ADC-- to target one opponent to attack because auto attacks ignore unit collision-- is impossible for him.

They might as well count him as Melee.

I wasnt aware graves got a free heal

last time i checked ,graves didnt have heal on W passively and R

feel like i just got rickrolled.

i had a burning hatred when i read the title.

ihatethatchampionritoplsnerfhimMORE

They reverted the True Grit nerf though...

And kindred is really getting all the nerfs a few adcs have more armor than them

graves is starting to become more complained of than yasuo

Whenever I jungle as Evelynn I like to gank my enemies at their first buff, but with Graves I just avoid entering his jungle altogether because 1v1 he's stronger than me at all stages of the game (and he can do a full clear of both his and my jungle without backing).

I just recently started playing kindred and their first clear seems so weak. I dont know if I am just bad at kiting but they feel like they are so slow and their q cooldown is so long it makes it hard to kite