Riot its time to stop stifling creative gameplay and throw people a bone in your rune department

UPfreely·Mar 26, 2015·41 votes·1,917 views

Standardize rune costs to something like 205 and 515 for quints make them free or make pages free rework the whole system remove it at least delete t1/t2

Just do something riot, the rune system feels like your red headed stepchild that you sent to boarding school and never came back for. You never tweak it, re-balance it, or even acknowledge its existence. It's just this huge ugly mess that you keep cuz it sucks the life(IP) out of your players.

28 Comments

AtheosisXMar 26, 20156 votes

Seconded.

Ace Access Mar 26, 20155 votes

6.3K IP pages, 2050 IP quints.... need I say more

the buffs from a single rune is too small to justify these costs

powerbatsMar 26, 20153 votes

Amazing fact, most of the community doesn't have a problem with earning these runes by using double ip weekends, saving ip for what they want, using that 1st win of the day. Now you also have the new team bonus to ip meaning you get even more free ip in this free game. There's also the runes sales Riot does etc. Instead of asking for something of value to be either free or so cheap it's free why not work towards it? Since if Riot reduces or eliminates the cost/runes then you'll have nothing to spend ip on. After that you'll start wanting to buy skins with ip and so on and so on.

AHeroNamedHawkeMar 26, 20154 votes

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Amazing fact, most of the community doesn't have a problem with earning these runes by using double ip weekends, saving ip for what they want, using that 1st win of the day. Now you also have the new team bonus to ip meaning you get even more free ip in this free game. There's also the runes sales Riot does etc. Instead of asking for something of value to be either free or so cheap it's free why not work towards it? Since if Riot reduces or eliminates the cost/runes then you'll have nothing to spend ip on. After that you'll start wanting to buy skins with ip and so on and so on.

LMAO

I cant even remember the last time we had one of those

There's no reason to keep mandatory stats behind a massive grind wall

powerbatsMar 26, 20151 votes

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LMAO

I cant even remember the last time we had one of those

There's no reason to keep mandatory stats behind a massive grind wall

It's not massive as stated earlier, by level 30 you can have all the ip you need to get the stuff you want for several pages. Again Riot's not going to give something of value away either for free or for almost free. No other game company out there does it either since it just reduces the value of earning anything at all. What you and the small minority are asking for is a free ride on the bus or reduced fare while everyone else has paid their way all because you don't want to earn the money to pay for it.

dunreadmynameMar 27, 20152 votes

Or by the time your level 30 you can buy a nice variety of champs. In fact what with new exciting champs being released often, anyone who would buy runes over champs is crazy. I shouldn't be forced to choose between getting to play a champ or getting the minor stat boosts to enable a play style for a champ.

BiffoloMar 26, 20151 votes

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LMAO

I cant even remember the last time we had one of those

There's no reason to keep mandatory stats behind a massive grind wall

Except, they want to wall off ranked, the competitive environment, from the casuals maybe?

CapitatingBunnyMar 26, 20153 votes

I Agree. Something that gives one person an advantage over another shouldn't be so god damn hard to get. I still don't have all the runes and I am over 4k games in and I've spent over 500 bucks to own all the champions already (obviously alot of the money went to skins too). Not saying they should be free but c'mon.

DocOZMar 26, 20151 votes

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I Agree. Something that gives one person an advantage over another shouldn't be so god damn hard to get. I still don't have all the runes and I am over 4k games in and I've spent over 500 bucks to own all the champions already (obviously alot of the money went to skins too). Not saying they should be free but c'mon.

the amount of IP needed to buy the maximum of every rune is 394,545 IP. By maximum I mean 9 of every mark, 9 of every glyph, 9 of every seal, and 3 of every quintessence. If you were to average 550 IP a day including your first day bonus it would take you 717.36 days. The only reason that i know this is that I did the math after making a list with the IP prices directly from the store. If anyone wants the list let me know and I'll post it.

Space BumMar 26, 20153 votes

Let's be honest. Do you really want crit chance seals? Don't get me wrong I have a full crit page that I use on GP support that has 12%chance18%damage but do you want it? There are a lot of inefficient runes that are not really a good idea to buy. Most every page uses armor seals (I'm sure there are a few exceptions like the page I have.). So this insane number of IP is a lot lower on an individual basis when you consider the runes they are really after.

JofeyyMar 27, 20152 votes

I run 1 crit chance rune on most of my pages. The miracle crit has saved my life many a time. XD

GaleWinUnleashedMar 28, 20152 votes

Luckily it's not even possible to buy all of the runes. You can have 700 at maximum.

Phoenix Kotori Mar 26, 20153 votes

Just do something riot,

The removed the combiner and greatly cut the prices of T1/T2 awhile back. It's not like they 100% ignoring runes.

WindfallenMar 27, 20153 votes

I see some really wonderful things on the PBE, because runes/pages are free.

Like galio jungle. I didn't even care that we lost, because this guy was FREAKING GALIO JUNGLING WITH SUCCESS!!!

Some champs are just begging for dedicated runepages.

I like the idea of testing theories and crafting runepages, but I've my standard AP/AD pages and I do not intend modifying them much. Maybe someday down the road I could have a tank pages... but that's far off as things stand.

Also, winrates/balance for champs is affected by the gating of runes/pages.

RaptameiMar 26, 20152 votes

Heroes of the Storm does not force you to spend the first 200 games worth of income on uninteresting stat bonuses. Riot will probably (be forced to) remove the rune system once it is released in order to keep up.

Phoenix Kotori Mar 26, 20152 votes

Heros also gives 10 g (LMAO) for a game if you don't have any bonus when a hero can cost 10k g

League gives 45-120 for non-FoD games and champs cost 6300 max.

Loken StoneheartMar 27, 20152 votes

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Heroes of the Storm does not force you to spend the first 200 games worth of income on uninteresting stat bonuses. Riot will probably (be forced to) remove the rune system once it is released in order to keep up.

I hate the rune system. I hate it so much. Its too expensive and I want the price lowered (coming from someone who will likely never purchase runes again because he has like 15 rune pages. It was torture, I would wish it on no new or old player). I like HotS, I like LoL.

But you're so full of it. You're right, HotS doesn't require you to spend 200 games buying runes. It just has you spend 500 games for each hero, because their pricing scheme is actually just stupid.

ZavernMar 26, 20152 votes

I just spent dozens of matches worth of IP on two movement speed quints..

powerbatsMar 26, 20152 votes

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I just spent dozens of matches worth of IP on two movement speed quints..

Well good things are supposed to be earned not given away. If you want some of the best stuff in game it's going to cost you. Now that said it'd be nice to see more sales here and there but like i said they've got the new team bonus ip option thing out there as well.

ZavernMar 26, 20153 votes

When someone needs to spend literally thousands of IP for a rune build, something is wrong. Even more so if you want multiple ones. Say AP, Tank, Support, Jungle, AD. That is 5 builds that can cost almost 10,000 IP each.

dunreadmynameMar 27, 20151 votes

I'd prefer to earn Champs instead of Runes. Mainly because the Champs bring more variety to the game than the runes do. Runes are fun and all but I've been using the same rune pages since S2, given the choice between saving up for a new champ or a new rune set up, I will always pick the new champ.

Space BumMar 26, 20152 votes

By level 30 you should have enough for a standard AP and AD page. I don't see much of a problem here.

Been playing since 2010. Can't think of a single useful rune that I don't own. Even have troll pages of runes that most people never buy. 40k+ IP collecting dust. You mad bro?

powerbatsMar 26, 20154 votes

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By level 30 you should have enough for a standard AP and AD page. I don't see much of a problem here.

Been playing since 2010. Can't think of a single useful rune that I don't own. Even have troll pages of runes that most people never buy. 40k+ IP collecting dust. You mad bro?

^ This and as someone pointed out in another thread just like this by level 30 you have earned well over 385k or so ip which means you should have no problem getting the runes you want. As for the person claiming you'd need 717 days get serious, no one is going to buy everything unless they've got the ip to waste which quite a few ppl do.

Quit asking for freebies here since it's not going to happen and Riot's already stated this countless times. Id you want something of value then you need to earn it and stop complaining about those that have earned it. This is no different than say COD Prestige ranks because those people have earned it. You're asking for free prestige ranks or an easier way of getting them.

Dar RaksadaMar 26, 20152 votes

As someone who owns 10 rune pages and virtually every useful rune + a number of rather useless runes, I think they should just drastically reduce rune prices. They could make em free for all I care, they're too much of a wall to new players atm.

Toa of DeathMar 26, 20152 votes

lack of Runes are the reason I don't play ranked. I've got 3 pages and only one of them is complete.

SeriphymMar 27, 20152 votes

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You never tweak it, re-balance it, or even acknowledge its existence.

^ this

GoldenMeanMar 27, 20152 votes

Riot has set the price of RP so low in this game that the only RMT ("chinese farming") available farms rank rather than IP. In other words, it's more profitable to buy rp and spend it, than it is to buy an IP grinding service and spend the IP.

If you have some RL dollars then probably the best thing you can do is buy RP when it's on sale, then wait for rune pages to go on sale 50% off and buy them then. With your IP, stockpile your IP until tier 3 runes go on sale for 30% off (that's like a 42% gain in IP or something like that). I'm sitting on 10k IP right now, and there are a ton of runes that I want still, but when that sale hits it'll be worth 14,285 IP instead of 10,000, and I'll have just saved a week of grinding or whatever.

If you have a decent disposable income, buy IP boosts, and buy your champions with cash. Spend all your IP on runes. Unfortunately I don't fall into that category. :(

Realistically, buy 16 cheap (450/1350) champs to start into ranked, and then buy runes for those champs, before buying any more champs.

Riot needs money. Honest. Developers have children, houses, etc. Riot's strategy is to drain away as much IP as possible, so that people spend RP instead (on non-cosmetic things).

Loken StoneheartMar 28, 20151 votes

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Riot has set the price of RP so low in this game that the only RMT ("chinese farming") available farms rank rather than IP. In other words, it's more profitable to buy rp and spend it, than it is to buy an IP grinding service and spend the IP.

If you have some RL dollars then probably the best thing you can do is buy RP when it's on sale, then wait for rune pages to go on sale 50% off and buy them then. With your IP, stockpile your IP until tier 3 runes go on sale for 30% off (that's like a 42% gain in IP or something like that). I'm sitting on 10k IP right now, and there are a ton of runes that I want still, but when that sale hits it'll be worth 14,285 IP instead of 10,000, and I'll have just saved a week of grinding or whatever.

If you have a decent disposable income, buy IP boosts, and buy your champions with cash. Spend all your IP on runes. Unfortunately I don't fall into that category. :(

Realistically, buy 16 cheap (450/1350) champs to start into ranked, and then buy runes for those champs, before buying any more champs.

Riot needs money. Honest. Developers have children, houses, etc. Riot's strategy is to drain away as much IP as possible, so that people spend RP instead (on non-cosmetic things).

Just gonna go ahead and point out that DOTA2 is pretty popular and thrives off of purely cosmetic items. They don't even sell their champions, they're all free.

DOTA2 is admittedly my least favorite MOBA, but chances are Riot would be doing just fine if DOTA2 is any example, even without those champion and runepage sales, and without runes draining all the IP from the system.