mordekaiser kinda reminds me of riven..

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But it seems like a pretty big downside for +2% spellvamp. If it was more... I dunno, useful? Impactful? :/

The mastery is actually +3% Spell Vamp with full points, but yeah, it's not a huge amount.

It's just hard to weigh that over 5% increased damage and 2% penatration. And it feels like 3% of your base damage is going to end up being 1-2 health in the early game...

But it does allow you to use a general set of masteries. You can take some in offense and defense instead of putting every remaining point in one or the other.

It's personal preference, and in the end, it's up to the player to decide how they build what they want.

Well, there are alot of idiots on the forum. (We) Look how far idiots running things gets anyone, so (we) don't let that happen.

Talk some sense into him? If Riven is so OP, why isn't she played/banned every game in the LCS? Oh yeah, because you're wrong.

At that point you call for a field CC triage: Determine which enemy needs to have the CC applied more and use it on them. Coordination, enemy evaluation and situational awareness are all key here.

Makes one wonder why the team comp isn't played more often.

She's a better distraction and a better disruptor.

Riven's shield lasts for 1.5 seconds, has a 6 second cooldown at max rank and can absorb 210 (+ 100% bonus AD)

Mord's shield decays at a rate of 3% per second, though so long as he has a target, he has a shield, it has no cooldown and can absorb 90 + (30 × Mordekaiser's level)

At lvl 18 his shield maxes at 630 meaning Riven needs 420 AD to match, feasible, but not easy. Even then, his shield has more up time and replenishes with each ability he uses. So long as he stays on a target and continues dealing damage, his shield combined with the spellvamp that EVERYONE builds on him means taking him down either requires catching him out and ganking him with multiple combatants or hitting him with lots of hard CC and ignite while you try to burst him down.

A fed Riven could take down Mordekaiser, but if Morde already has his and and there is no level difference, that Riven is going to have to HARD outplay in order to win that fight.

Hydra doesn't even begin to compare to BT+Runaan's, even if you're lucky enough to have a stacked minion wave or five champions all standing in your AoE.

For Riven to be tankier in the situation you laid out "Hydra + shield rotations" means Morde also had time to take action and had items of his own. Morde doesn't build "squishy at first, then a tanky item or two," he builds "a splash of defense and offense outright then some pure damage" meaning in that same scenario unless Riven is actively hitting someone that Morde will outright tank more damage. Again, there isn't an argument to be made. Their base stats are a factor, but not the whole story. Morde will never be less tanky than Riven - period.

Riven also has plenty of counters. She also has teamwide strategy counters. And I have seen an ADC with lifesteal + Runaan's, but you know what that only helps with? Enemies that are bunched up. Same for Hydra. Now we've also put an enemy positioning requirement on her survivability in addition to her own items, abilities and self-positioning. To that end, Mordekaiser again takes the tanky cake of the two because he has less of a requirement for their positioning. He didn't hit 3 with his E? Oh well, he still got a large shield from it. His didn't hit 2 with his Q? His enemy took bonus damage and Morde still got a large shield. They're constantly next to him? They're constantly giving him shield - small amounts to be sure, but it's still constantly being added. Then there's his ult for a large injection of shield straight to Mordekaiser. Riven has... her auto-attacks for life-steal, a shield-dash, and... that's mostly it.

Also, saying she's no-risk is pretty... well, it's pretty damn wrong. Her risk is exactly why she isn't picked in tournament play. In many lanes she loses hard or wins hard. There is no going even, and in a 2v1 scenario, which is easy for an enemy team to put up, she WILL lose that lane. "But what if the jungler ganks for her?" They have a jungler, too.

Riven is very risky, the problem is that in pubs very few people put her into a stressful enough position that her risk matters. Again, she's a pub-stomper. Why should I care what a pub-stomper can do? Have you ever picked a Nasus into her? She lost all kill potential then and there. Rumble top? Now she can't even farm safely, AND Rumble can take on a 2v1 in competitive play. Not only that, but Rumble scales hard as well, and can be a teamfight monster. To say she has little-to-no risk means to ignore gameplay elements outright to make your argument sound better.

And since it's not impossible to put a Riven behind, you've probably seen a scenario where she makes a comeback later on, right? Y'know, those exact same comebacks pretty much everyone can do, but with even less risk than her because they don't all have to play like as a mediocre-damage melee assassin with telegraphed entry when they're behind. And yes, when she is behind her damage is mediocre. To also bring up those moments where she makes that comeback ignores the many, many other times where she is unable to make that comeback and remains shut-out and shutdown.

Riven has risk, but very few people put her in a situation to abuse it. Riven is not tanky, she is barely scraping by unless she's ahead - but then she's ahead, so what did you expect? Riven is not adverse to risk-taking by nature of her kit, because her kit encourages her to be in risky situations in the first place. She has her counters, you and your allies need to work together against her. Why? Because she's part of their team, and you should all be working together against their whole team. Countering one champion may not be as simple as countering another. Riven simply requires more teamplay. Nothing wrong with that.