It's getting tiresome

superfire444·Dec 18, 2016·1 votes·663 views

It's getting to the point where there are certain champions who are really strong at the moment. These champions are often in a game and lack counterplay. I will give you some examples what I mean

Vayne - 24,37% playrate - 40,65% banrate - Can 3 shot you after 20mins and can always deal her damage because of her self-peel and uncounterable ult.
Hecarim - 10,66% playrate - 31,65% banrate - has tons of damage + tankiness - can't be stopped or dodged - ganks are really strong
Lee sin - 34,04% playrate - 20,14% banrate - Tons of mobility/damage - his R

I can keep going on. We have VI - Janna - Caitlyn - Rengar. You know where I'm going. All these champions are currently really strong, often played (you probably encounter at least 1 of these every game) and just make the game unfun.

Can we please add some counterplay to these champions?

4 Comments

Kukan SeishinDec 18, 20161 votes

Vayne? Ban her, or have your mid and support take exhaust, pick someone like lissandra and maokai, point and click cc, you need at least two though, cause she will buy qss. Hecarim, he does fall off, pick someone like Cassio and then you naturally get tanky enough to not get one shot, then you just kite him, + his ult makes him face you so deos his e, you can ult him and lay into him then. Lee sin, I see a lot of this guy, and to be honest the best way to counter a really good lee sin player is banning him, sucks ass I know, but from my experience really good lee sin players are ONY counterable if you have someone like poppy, and even then all he has to do is inturrupt second part of his q with his ward hop and bait poppy's W, which has a much longer cd then lees q and w

HelltokenDec 18, 20161 votes

let me give you some counterplay, although I doubt you'll read this cause you're probably just venting over a losing streak:

vayne: hard CC and burst. it's really not that hard. syndra is a good counter into vayne. Hecarim: ward deep. when you see him charge, run. cc also counters him. Lee sin: lee sin is strong early. just ward and respect his mobility. lee sin players make a ton of mistakes with him.

The reason these three are seen often is the following: Vayne scales ridiculously hard but a lot earlier now with the crit build. because of this, you see her hard counter caitlyn more often too. her ult is counterable if you play someone like twisted fate, or if you just lock the dude down. Hecarim is played more often higher elo because of his ability to abuse pressure. The reason he's so strong though is not him, its the summoner ghost. with its low cooldown, it's so easy to gank with a lot more damage, as he gets more ad with speed. to beat a hecarim, play a lockdown tank like maokai, a mobile mage or a mage with cc like lissandra or ahri, an early game jungler that scales well like vi, and a safe botlane if you're really that terrified of him. and the reason lee sin is played often is not only because hes a very strong champion, but because he's fun to play

Rengar's the same as vayne. you can see him coming, and when he jumps, just lock him down. Instead of asking riot to nerf champs, try to think. thinking is what makes the game difficult. the good thinkers will make good decisions. "How can i make sure that hecarim doesn't see me as a juicy kill?" "if i see a vayne, what things should i avoid doing?" etc. stop complaining and learn the game, because guess what: the game is not just about champions

superfire444Dec 18, 20161 votes

Hard CC and burst is the answer to everything. It isn't a specific vayne counter like QSS is for vayne to counterplay that CC.

warding deep is a possibility but it's risky and he's still uncounterable if you fight him.

Lee sin can build tanky and still 1 shot you. Besides that his R has too much power and too short of a cooldown.

Telling me to think and stuff is really easy and can be said about anything. All the champions I mentioned are unfun to play against and have serious balancing issues.

HelltokenJan 11, 20171 votes

well, counterplay does exist for them, that's all i'm saying. And I'm saying that because I'm assuming you're what, low gold? If you figure out how to beat a champion at their own game, then you get better. Examples:

Hard CC and Burst isnt the answer to everything, but vayne is low range and squishy as hell. shes the anti tank though. I can beat a fed caitlyn as an unfed nautilus, that's what i'm saying. Also, vayne has a shite early game. If you watch streamers or high elo players sometimes they surrender aftr a certain point because the enemy has outscaled them. That's also a part of the game. Some champs become huge in the late, and then its harder for one team comp to execute a game-winning fight than another. An argument for that is assassins. Assassins are pick-off champs, not teamfighters. In the late game teams tend to group up for objectives. Assassins wont be as relevant then. However, vayne can always be picked off. My favorite into her is Bruiser wukong. can't qss knockups.

Warding deep allows you to predict where he's coming from. you see him bot, you lean top. If you can't fight him, then don't. Hecarim is strong early, so yes, ward deep. doesn't even have to be super deep. in the midlane, my favorite ward is in the river opening by the raptors and red buff. Just in that pass you can see him go to raptors, red, and you can spot him in the river. when you do, move away. If you cannot win the fight, then don't fight him. It's that simple.

Lee sin is SO easy to counter. In lane before he has kick, just ward nearby to spot him ganking. When he does, stay in the middle of the lane rather than leaning to an edge. That's how he connects easier with you. otherwise he wastes a ward and an escape to get to you, allowing you to fight him or get a 1 for 1 if he's greedy. If he has kick, this principle applies even more so. Lee is hella beatable, because most often they tend to outplay themselves.

And you're exactly right. Thinking is the solution to everything. You have to play smart. If they're unfun to play against, ban them. otherwise, if they're meta, learn to play against them. also, all the champs you mentioned are early game dominators (except vayne who's known as THE lategame monster). Heca, lee, cait, janna, Vi... they're early game champs. Cait has a midgame power drop, janna is squishy, vi has a mediocre at best late game, lee becomes harder to play well later... If you know how to abuse this, you'll win. The fact that you can't or are not willing to recognize a champ's strengths and weaknesses shows you don't think enough, and you won't climb that way. I agree some champs need nerfs, but they're not unbeatable. Not one champ is.