i keep seeing people say "vaynes broken because of her w" no....

lil koda·Jan 28, 2018·17 votes·927 views

vaynes is literally killing people that arent takes before even procing her w, its simply IE, shiv being beyond overpowerd that it gives anyone who wants burst, a stupid amount of burst. then i see people complaining that shes a tank buster, aaaand? we kind of need a tank buster right now lol, with tanks being out of control with theyre damage and tankiness, if you want to run a team comp of tanks, ban her. thats what the ban system was originally for, where if you wanted to run a certain comp you got rid of the counters to that comp.

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AzadetheJan 28, 201811 votes

Nah. It's her Q. Tumble is basically 2 auto attacks in one, on a 2 second cooldown. The physical basic damage on it with 4 items can reach 1700 damage including about a 970 crit as part of it. When you time in a Silver bolt + Shiv on top of that crit it's pretty much a 1 hit kill, and Tumble excels at charging Shiv.

I mean yeah.... you could argue crit enables adcs. That's a given. But there's things you can do about it.

Imo, the biggest problem is people don't buy these anymore: item 3047 item 3143 . The sometimes build the tabis, but Randiun's is lost in the confusion caused by item 3075 , and really isn't super effective until you also have item 3110

..... Which..... Unless you're a pure tank champ, you're probably not going to invest in 2 Cold Steel items.

If you have both, you can reduce Vayne's Q damage by about half. A good trade. But then you have to have a way to kill her before she just Silver bolts you down.

Lios AshenbladeJan 28, 20182 votes

She is basically hard to build against anyway, you have to pray to the elo gods your team can do damage and function, if you go full on grab a mother fucker and hold em down, tanky...but ultimately, you an stack armor to the moon, and she can just build item 3035 or something to counter over a third of what you just stacked all your money into, and still get W to the nuts

AzadetheJan 28, 20181 votes

The good news is she never builds item 3071 which has a much stronger impact on on a game than item 3035

Penetrating 35% of a J Curving damage reduction effect on armor when you have 300 armor isn't nearly as dangerous as when you Penetrate 35% on a champion with 300 Armor reduced by 24-30% and further flat penetrated by 54 Lethality. That's why Lethality Quinn seems so damn oppressive and easy to play. At least on Vayne, as long as you're not wall hugging, it's only every third hit that's dangerous on high tank.

That's why I started running item 3110 on Evelynn ; it gives her just enough time vs Vayne to kill her rather than be killed.

KanzlerJan 28, 20185 votes

You're complaining about the damage of a 4 item vayne? Does the term hyper carry mean nothing anymore?

Your arguments are far more valid if discussing the damage output of a 1 or 2 item vayne. However, when playing vayne without being grossly ahead, I have yet to 2 or 3 shot anyone with 2 items while on an equal playing field in terms of items and experience.

AzadetheJan 28, 20183 votes

Me? Complain about Vayne? I never complain about Vayne. I empathyze with complaints, because I know where they are coming from.

At 1-2 items Vayne still does well. At 1-2 items, she still has to wall knock. And then it's easy 2-3 shot kills. At 4, She doesn't even have to wall knock; her Q compensates not needing her E.

Personally, I know not to pick Nami Into Vayne. Instead I pick Morgana or Sona or Zyra . I play to please her Ults and destroy her.

Ahri BakaJan 28, 20186 votes

No one said it's her W her w is annoying against Tanks only what's broken is her short cd Tumble on q , and the stealth is a bit annoying , as a mages main , having Vayne doding my skillshots that has 7+ seconds cd with less than 3 seconds Tumble is not ok Her Stealth makes it worse too , she is hard to deal with

greekvandaLJan 28, 20183 votes

VAYNE IS OBNOXIOUS BECAUSE OF HER STEALTH.

The only counter to adcs with how disgustingly broken they are atm is ONESHOTTING THEM. yet i cannot even click on that pathetic pile of garbage champ because she has stealth every 3 seconds. Kha zix bursts harder but he has the decency to stealth twice per fight. And no i have the IQ capacity of not chasing a kha zix with duskblade in the jungle giving him free procs.

shicky97Jan 28, 20183 votes

That's odd. Her W is the only part of her kit that I consider balanced.

Her insane self-peel via tumble/stealth/condemn is the part of her I think is broken. Most other hypercarries don't really have the super high amount of mobility that Vayne does.

I feel the same way about Tristana, but to a lesser degree because if you can catch Trist after she Rocket Jumps and ults, she's pretty dead, but for Vayne, her ult lasts so long and her tumble is on such a low cooldown that she can just juke and kite you for eternity.