Riot - "youll be demoted if you dont play a ranked game in 1 day." Also riot "Here, have this guy."

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It might still count as naming & shaming, but I’m not sure.

It doesn't. In order to name and shame you have to NAME and shame lol He blocked out all the names like he was supposed to. If people wanted to look at his op.gg and find out the name of the singed from that way, that is fine too. It's the same thing

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No it isn't. Not doing what your team wants you to do is not griefing. If that was true anybody who plays off meta champs would get banned or people who implement split push strategies (Inting Sion) would be banned. You don't have to ask permission to play the way you want to play. The game would be complete shit if that was true.

Griefing requires intent. Intentionally trying to ruin someone else's game or intentionally not playing your role. This guy was clearly griefing because he went into other people's lanes and stood next to enemy towers to try to get himself killed. He wasn't trying a different strategy out, he was trolling his team because the other team banned Pyke. Don't put this guy in the same corner as people who actually try in games but play off-meta champs or implement unique strategies. That's not cool.

It is griefing. It might not be inting, but it's still something you know will irritate your team. As I made quite clear, if you are aware that the team isn't cool with your plan but you do it anyway, then you're knowingly doing something that will bother them. If you want to play Int Sion and your team is like "ugh, everyone's trying that but they never do it right and the enemy ends up with a fed carry who stomps us, please don't" but you're like "screw you guys, I can do whatever I want as long as I try to win (within the limitations I've set)," that is griefing. If you're like "hey, anybody mind if I try Int Sion?" and your team keeps quiet, then it's okay. I mean, it's best if they actually say they're okay with it, but if they don't actively disagree when you ask, there's not much else you can do. If they don't like that plan they're expected to say so. It's "opt out," you might say.

Yes, this guy was griefing because he tried to give the enemy team kills so that they would have a better chance of winning the game. However, if he instead legit thought that his strategy would win them the game, then whether it's griefing depends on whether his team told him not to. If they were okay with it, it's fine. If they weren't okay with it but he did it anyway, then it would be griefing.

If a player is trying to win and working with their team, it's fine.

If a player is trying to lose or refusing to work with their team, it's griefing.

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No it isn't. Not doing what your team wants you to do is not griefing. If that was true anybody who plays off meta champs would get banned or people who implement split push strategies (Inting Sion) would be banned. You don't have to ask permission to play the way you want to play. The game would be complete shit if that was true.

Adelaide Skyheart.

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Maybe in your mind. I happened to know for a fact, through a Riot employee, that a player is allowed to use any champion in any lane with any spells he desires. That's why there isn't a lock on anything. The only time someone is griefing through gameplay, is when they are inting or purposely leaving their lanes, like a support going mid. So, no, your teammates dont have to agree to anything you choose before the game starts.

It's not just in my mind. There are things other than inting or leaving your assigned role that are punishable: generally speaking, anything that's intended to anger your teammates. Inting and leaving your lane are just two of many ways to do that. For example, a support could build ADC items and try to get all the CS, initiate fights and then leave as soon as the actual ADC follows up, dance under tower, and so on. And if someone chooses a champion, spells, etc. specifically because they know it gives them a better chance at losing, that's bannable as well (see Nubrac's ban for "roaming support Teemo" which he only uses because it pisses people off).

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"The issue here is how the Singed is playing, not which champion he or she chose."

Thats the only thing I found from you second reply linking a thread that had someone's tweet in it, assuming its a riot employee, not even sure about that. No where did I even find **your ** actual quote where he says "This guy got banned bc of hundreds of games with bad experience." and if he did say that, then obviously the guy was inting multiple times.

They are/were a Riot employee; they just don't have the red name. If you click the link in that thread for "first Rioter comment," the comment I linked is the one you get. Mousing over that user's name also shows that they are/were on the Player Behavior Team. Just click the link I provided and it'll take you right to that comment. I'll link it again here for convenience:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/79aGu3wR-support-singed-isnt-banable-but-thats-not-the-point?comment=006b

And now here's a quote of a few key components of their post, which you can also click to navigate to as well:

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For what it’s worth, we believe the penalty was warranted because in literally hundreds of games the player inflicted a huge amount of disruption on players who didn’t agree to their chemistry experiments.

The line here is the player repeatedly showing no flexibility in the face of resistance to their strategies, and consistently forcing teammates into a wildly different bot lane experience hundreds of times.

Basically, working with your team is a big part of trying to win.

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If you pick something people arent used to and do good, nobody is going to report you. Unless its 1 dildo who tilts easily.

This is begging the question. You're attempting to support a conclusion of "the behavior in question is acceptable" with a claim that anyone who disagrees and reports such behavior is wrong.

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If you pick something people arent used to and do bad, you might get reported and nothing will happen to u unless you cursed all game. If you keep doing it and keep doing bad, then obviously its gonna catch up to you. And youre stupid for repeating something that isnt working anyways, so yea you might as well take a ban. But its definitely ok to try a few times.

Do you realize that you just agreed with me and negated the entire rest of your post? Continued griefing of this type is rarely caught and punished with the first transgression (I've seen people int while screaming homophobic slurs and not get any punishment - it's actually really difficult to get punished in LoL), but eventually the system will recognize it and realize that such a player is actually griefing, resulting in a ban. It's "ok to try a few times" only in the sense that it probably won't result in an immediate punishment. It's not okay in terms of being within the rules, which is why it may eventually result in a ban (a fact which, again, you have just conceded).