Annie the Model Mid Laner?

WitchQueen Annie·Oct 8, 2017·2 votes·629 views

Is Annie the ultimate Model Mid Laner?

She seems perfectly balanced and does what a Mid Laner is supposed to do while having the relevant weaknesses. She can Flash/flank 100-0 targets with great reliability.

She can reliable 100-0 all targets at about 2-3 items. Short range but very reliable 100-0 deletion. You can hit the tank too once you have enough CDR. The ratios are so high that so long as you build full AP, you can destroy anyone so long as you fire first.

At the same time, you die instantly if focused. You can build a Zhonyas to add a level of complexity but the overall weakness is there.

I think there should be more champions like Annie... she is fun to play and you really feel like this very powerful child blowing things up.

7 Comments

Serika ZeroOct 8, 20171 votes

no, because she has quite shitty wave clear and wave push. Midlaners generally, the good ones, have good wave clear or are assassins.

that's why she is not the ideal mid laner. As far as I'm concerned, these guys are close to ideal mid laners: Ahri Lux Anivia Viktor

What they offer: Safe Wave clear (most important aspect of a mid laner in my opinion, even tho I play akali and katarina now). Pick potential via: charm, snare, stun, slow+potential stun Zone control (except Ahri). Low mobility (Ahri has mobility to make up for her lack of zone control). Medium to long range. Most damage in their kit can be dodged by positioning.

WitchQueen AnnieOct 8, 20171 votes

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no, because she has quite shitty wave clear and wave push. Midlaners generally, the good ones, have good wave clear or are assassins.

If you rush a very cheap 900 Lost Chapter... you have very good wave clear. You can spam your W cone in addition to mana refunds from Q for infinite wave clear.

Also, assassins pretty much can't play the game at all if a good Annie is on the team. She can zone them out infinitely and punish any plays they make.

TakazakiOct 8, 20171 votes

farming with Q makes your stun go down and is very abusible by a lot of assassin, they will sit and wait till you do that and then dive you.

stall the wave and they will roam bot

FatedSaviourOct 8, 20171 votes

thats why you have to determine wether now is when you need to use Q to last hit or not if you think you need your stun up, keep it, if not, just Q some more, also with E and W you only need 2 - 3 stacks ready for a reliable stun, try to anticipate how your opponent laner is playing, they playing agressive, maybe keep that stun up when you can, also, just read the eqtiquette on the left of the page, so i feel complied to mention teemo, say teemo, and talk about teemo, cuz i must mention teemo as much as i possibly can mention the teemo of the game which is teemo

WitchQueen AnnieOct 8, 20171 votes

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farming with Q makes your stun go down and is very abusible by a lot of assassin, they will sit and wait till you do that and then dive you.

stall the wave and they will roam bot

You don't always have to farm with Q. Auto-farming is a very important skill on a good Annie.

All I'm saying is that if you want to do a Push and Roam play style you have the W and the Qs to do it. Even without your stun, your Q CHUNKS and its point and click (for defensive trades).

Serika ZeroOct 8, 20171 votes

Lets analyze your statement then, shall we?

Here is Annie: Annie http://na.op.gg/champion/annie/statistics/mid

skill order: Q > W > E.

Which means lv 2 to 8 you will often have lv 1 W. And in the case you take a second W skill at lv 4, you will have lv 4 to 10 with lv 2 W.

Which is: 70 or 115 + 85% AP Assuming you get according to you, Lost Chapter.

That's 25 AP. So, lets assume rank 2 W and 25 AP. Your W will do about 150 damage. Even a full item 3165 gives 100 ap. Meaning, your W will do around 220 damage.

Do any minions have 220 hp? Even if you add item 3285 that's around 350 damage. Still not enough.

Minions get stronger with game time passed. And here's the minion stats at lv1: 296 hp for casters 473 hp for melee 828 for cannon minion

491 for melee 302 for casters 851 for cannon in the second spawn of minions

314 casters 528 melee 898 cannon

I went in a practice mode and went to lv6, added 10000 gold to my inventory and maxed W first (lv 3 by lv 6) and went back and bought a morello. My W will do: 160+116 damage

Lv 4 was needed in W to be able to 1 shot caster minions. Damage: 205+117 At the moment when casters had 320 hp.

And ofc, 6 seconds (6.4s actually) was the CD on W with morello on. Now bro, can you still think you got wave clear on annie? You can't even clear minions fast even if you max W until you get like lv4 in it. Which in pretty much all annie games. And that's lv 12.

So, aside the fact that you need 2 rotations to kill melee champions (and that's 12 seconds if you max W instead of Q). Which pretty much nobody does.

And this is not all. You got the big problem of: W range which is sadly just 600 and very narrow. This means you need to be in melee range of melee minions to be able to hit most of them. And this is in no way shape or form safe.

I also did another experiment. I went annie in the practice game, bought boots 2, ludens and morello. Then I stayed in exp range to get levels of minions to get around when annie could get lv 8 very fast. And that's 8 minute mark.

A W used then was able to 1 shot caster minions with the ludens's extra bounce damage (And only because of that). So, you still going to need most likely in a normal game. 1 W and 6 Qs to clear a wave without caster minions.

And that's with you being in melee range of the melee minions for the W (its not like Q has bigger range). Which all in all means: Annie has bad wave clear and meh wave push.

Also, since assassins are supposed to not be able to play against annie. Here's an assassin vs an annie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7zczePA9Jc

To be fair, the katarina main is on a smurf and knows his damage and the annie is just plat. But the point is: annie is squishy and has no wave clear. Assassins can kill her or simply roam.