Just curious as to what everyone thinks. Why do you think they're healthier than other assassins?
I ask because I played some ARAM's with 
in them, and was reminded how absurd she is.
I only listed assassins not commonly complained about on the boards frontpage, and are generally considered to be assassins.
MisterHealYoGirl4 votesIf a Kha'Zix 100-0es you, it's because you were out of position and he exploited that. If a LeBlanc kills you, it's because her keyboard works.
Princess Emma4 votes
exercises regularly and has a pretty balanced diet.
63536895_DEL1 votesShe has a low salt diet compared to other assassins.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesReally? Then you haven't been playing much mate.
ModWulf Helhammer4 votesFrom an assassination standpoint, it's actually Zed. His assassinations are telegraphed and the death mark can be easily removed or negated by one of two items.
Alüe3 voteshave to disagree, as it stands his lane push potential is way to strong. Additionally there is no punishment if he messes up. Laned against an AP mid it takes way to long for us to build anything of actual counter material (if you build qss as an xerath, vel, etc you botched your build).
ModWulf Helhammer2 votesYou don't build QSS on mages, you build Hourglass. And the reason why Zed's lane is strong is because late game he gets stopped so easily for doing his job (assassinating people). One of the reasons he mainly split pushes late game.
Before you get hourglass, you just play well. I pick Xerath as my main Mage, and I usually don't build Zhyonas until 4th complete item, not counting boots (mana regen, ludens, boots, void staff).
And actually yes, there is punishment if he messes up. He is a squishy assassin, and if in lane he uses his shadow to waveclear, that's a pretty hearty cooldown down for him, so punish him for it
Alüe3 votesNot really, considering he can build the sub item to 
(not to mention this item in itself has been discussed as being tilted in most threads) and effectively reduce your damage substantially, zed can zone you pretty well. The whole point of his early game is to zone you out and wear down your mana. I also realize qss isn't a mage item, as i was stating before ap main counter items are to cost inefficient to effectively build against him. Considering most ap champions are late game champions (looking at riot as they reduced the amount of game time and increased ap gold item costs), most ap champions have a very difficult time in deciding to build a counter against him as they never obtain a full build. At level 6 zed if at all dominates the lane, and is able to effectively zone champions. I main Xerath and currently see almost 100% ban rate against zed around plat 3-4, am i able to land skill shots against him? of course! As i mentioned before when he builds that sub item to maw he becomes a lane bully, that is able to effectively counter dive with no repercussions really. Late game his potential is even greater I would state. If he is a decent zed he will hold off until an enemy is caught or an engagement is beginning.
GGX Millia4 votes
actually.
ModWulf Helhammer3 votesHow? I mean, ignoring balancing, all of Talon's burst is nearly instant, with next to no possibility to counter it.
GGX Millia1 votesHow? I mean, ignoring balancing, all of Talon's burst is nearly instant, with next to no possibility to counter it.
Because he has no instant escapes and literally has to outplay the enemy team in order not to be blown up himself. Also quite counterable with Zhonyas and pink wards.
He is as unsafe as assassins get. Which, I feel, is a good idea of how assassins should work. Safe assassins should NOT exist.
Shonjl1 votesBecause unlike any other Assassin, when he goes in, he has no way out but success. Talon has to use his ult to assassinate someone in an actual teamfight, which leaves him no escape route if the target survives.
Even Rengar for how annoying he is can save his ult as a get out of jail free as well as build a little tanky and still deal insane damage.
When I lose to a Zed or LB, I don't care about them since they are easy champions. Zed might have a high skill ceiling but he has an extremely easy skill floor, and LB is roughly the same but even an idiot knows how to spam her dash on you til your low to explode. When Talon does it, he actually has to outplay you or you have to make a mistake. None of that free LB or Zed poke, even his poke puts him in danger with how low range it is.
xl Kirito lx3 votesZed has the healthiest assassination. His lane phase, and margin of safety are questionable. With that list though, Kha'zix is probably the biggest failure of an assassin concept.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesPeople on this thread are too salty about Zed to recognize that.
EcchiOtakuTM2 votesNo no kha isn't a failure for an assassin, it's just that he needs a buff to his clears but he's a really well designed assassin.
If anything diana is a failure of an assassin because riot literally made her with bruiser intended but gave her high ratios and players forced her to assassination. But since players like it they never got around to nerfing her ratios and increasing base damage.
resumed3 votes is a healthy assassin because despite having exceptional damage capabilities, she dies if she gets breathed on too hard and almost all of her damage is reduced to a single target, and then becomes useless until every single one of her abilities is up again, and unless shes got 45% cdr wont be until the next teamfight. and if she does have 45% cdr, it's already lategame and she's useless
also her laning phase is the absolute worst
the only real problem with her assassination is that it's relatively safe compared to others, but not nearly as safe as the more unhealthy assassins like 
is also a healthy assassin because in order to get the cooldown decrease she actually has to have an effect on the people she attacks
if she doesnt at least get an assist, she gets stuck and dies
is an extremely healthy assassin because he is extremely effective when he is punishing people for poor positioning
AlwaysByMySide1 votesthe only real problem with her assassination is that it's relatively safe compared to others, but not nearly as safe as the more unhealthy assassins like
LB is safer than Zed. In fact, she's probably the safest assassin.
resumed2 voteswow you're so right! my favourite thing about leblanc is her untargetability!
AlwaysByMySide1 voteswow you're so right! my favourite thing about leblanc is her untargetability!
I'm not sure what you're implying with your sarcasm, but LB actually does become untargetable when her passive goes off.
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Middle&sortBy=general.deaths&order=descend
LB statistically dies less than Zed. Zed dies more per game on average than most other mid laners in fact.
resumed2 votesso zed just goes into stealth when he ults? i can use pinks to see him? i can use my trinket??? i can use aoe while he's ulting to kill him?
AlwaysByMySide1 votesso zed just goes into stealth when he ults? i can use pinks to see him? i can use my trinket??? i can use aoe while he's ulting to kill him?
No, but he does use his ult and you know exactly where he's going.
LB is safer than Zed, and you've done nothing to disprove that notion. [slayer-jinx-catface]
resumed2 voteswhy would i even try to "prove" anything
all i've done is make fun of you for being wrong
AlwaysByMySide2 voteswhy would i even try to "prove" anything
all i've done is make fun of you for being wrong
I accept your concession.
resumed1 votesgood
SouL1ess1 votes[{quoted}](name=Memeglaive Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sooTyH2d,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-08T07:06:53.386+0000)
I'm not sure what you're implying with your sarcasm, but LB actually does become untargetable when her passive goes off.
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Middle&sortBy=general.deaths&order=descend
LB statistically dies less than Zed. Zed dies more per game on average than most other mid laners in fact.
LB goes invisible when her passive goes off.
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesIf an assassin is weak they aren't healthy so kat and kha are excluded.
The Deckowner1 voteshow is lb punishable? she has a instant blick back to safety ability....
SouL1ess3 votesWhat kind of biased vote poll is this?
Doesn't included all assassins and only includes the one that the OP thinks is fine?
I only listed assassins not commonly complained about on the boards frontpage, and are generally considered to be assassins.
What?
Zed is an assassin with the most interactive assassination sequence. Such thing is considered "healthy" by Riot. He just happens to have a great laning phase, which most people complain that assassins should not have. But his teamfight potential is so pathetic when the player is at equal skill level as his opponents, that split-pushing/dueling became the main role of Zed, otherwise he won't have anything worthy to bring to a team.
Other assassins such as Talon are balanced by a weaker start to the game, and compensated for more reliability to assassination sequence. People doesn't like their kill potential but can't prevent themselves from feeding them early anyway, when they are at their weakest.
Fizz is a very weak laner that gets complained about routinely by Boards because they don't know how to play against him in lane. Every time Fizz kills someone in lane without jungler support I face palm...
Ekko is an AP assassin that has zero reliability whatsoever unless the enemy is dumb. The best use of his kit is as a stun initiator. No wonder tank Ekko is so popular, because his kit really doesn't deliver damage. But he has his signage ult and of course, people complain about that.
And all assassins do not do well against a meaningful support. Assassins that are most successful always have a dive-buddy with them to force supports to blow CC, otherwise they cannot perform their intended role and is most likely weak/useless until their main rotation comes up.
The counterplay to assassins is always awareness and teamwork. Dueling against assassins usually don't work out, unless its laning phase when really, assassins and other laners are on equal footing.
There really isn't a most "healthy" or "balanced" assassin that "the boards haven't complained about".
63536895_DEL1 votesWhat kind of biased vote poll is this?
The only biased one here is you lol
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=soul1ess
Making a post about how Talon and Ekko are balanced when they're your most played champions, that's funny. Not saying they aren't, but don't go around calling people biased when you obviously are.
SouL1ess1 votes[{quoted}](name=Red Death LoL,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sooTyH2d,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2016-03-08T13:22:31.082+0000)
The only biased one here is you lol
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=soul1ess
Making a post about how Talon and Ekko are balanced when they're your most played champions, that's funny. Not saying they aren't, but don't go around calling people biased when you obviously are.
Yes I play Talon and Ekko because I actually like their kits.
Does that make your poll not biased?
Does your poll include all assassins and not just the ones that you think is fine, therefore eliminating choices from people who actually wants to participate in the poll?
If you had included all assassin choices and not just who you thought is fine, I would have no problems.
But as it stands, you asked a question about "who is the most balanced assassin" and intentionally limited the possible inputs. You should change the title to "Out of Diana, Katarina, Kha'zix, Nocturne, Shaco and Twitch, who is the most balanced assassin?", because that will be a more suitable title to your OP.
Tranoze2 votes
He has a silence.
He can 100-0 you during the silence.
doesn't work against him. (just a note that work against almost all assassin)
doesn't work against him. (Just a note that work against assassin that not work against)
He can assassinate people while being the most tanky champ in the game.
He deal %missing heal true damage.
After kill someone, he ll just go back to recover his health with his passive.
Varys of Lys 1 votesIMO, assassin gameplay isn't necessarily defined by health as it is more managing your own cooldowns and knowing your burst in order to achieve a kill. I think health is subjective because they all have their escapes, it's just using them effectively which is the problem. No assassin will be called 'healthy' should he or she pull of their intended function: to assassinate.
Cavemantero1 votesWhen did Twitch become and assassin? I mean, I guess he's kind of 'duel-roled' but he's an adc first and always.
SwiftKitten881 votes
the only assasin that actaully takes "skill" and requires hard to land skillshot to even do anything to you
plus she is squishy and needs to go into melee range to do full damage.. NONE of the champs on your list come even close to that (except maybe kat who is also squishy and melee)
EminenceVoid1 votesI really feel diana is balance and really does give her opponents a chance at fighting back (sometimes). I really REALLY JUST WISH they would give her some sort of escape is shes an assassin. Sadly shes classified as a fighter in league and fighter go all in or nothing. If she either got an escape or some more sustain, say her W, she would be great. I love diana and hope things work out for her soon.
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesTalon/Shaco are
Diana was suppose to be a bruiser but has high scalings which players abused into assassin btw (Riot need to nerf her ratios and give her base damage to fortify bruiser the way they intended.)
And a weak assassin is never balanced, meaning kha/kat are excluded.
Tranoze1 votesYou forgot 
and 
They can dodge almost everything in this game.
except thought.
Athenes Lulu1 votesI'm more on going for because of how he has to commit, and that escapes are not 100% clean, therefore easily punishable.
Diana is close if I am going with the same definition, but the problem with her is she's pretty much Akali v2.0 (as in spot enemy a mile away > land something > dash in > kill in ~0.5 seconds > repeat because reset mechanics) and destroy teams with a slight lead, while Talon can kill one at a time unless he is very fed.
Of your list, I'd go for Kha'Zix. He has the similar "have to (sorta) commit" kind of gimmick that Talon has.
J E B A ł T E D1 votesEkko
Oh wait, he's not on the poll.
Nice shitty poll.
La Barbotte1 votesi think right now kha'zix and shaco are the two most balanced assassins that are actual assassins
The Deckowner1 votesnoc is not an assasin, he is a fighter. where is talon?
Wolfram Oxford1 votes
Papa Slothy1 votes
they all have a decent amount of counterplay and only become a problem if they get a lead
Mirkhail1 votesmost assassin aren't really healthy because the ability to kill someone in second can't be consider healthy but if they couldn't do that they would be useless. I remember a rioter say assassin luck counter play because or they overpower you or you overpower then.
Akali is SO HOT1 votes
burns tons of calories because of how often she is dashing around and running around in her shroud
DarkRitual1 votesKat is healthy. I mean have you seen how toned she is? Good diet and excercise does wonders.