So please, cut your "stop crying & learn to counter him" bullshit & just admit that Yasuo is definitely a problem. This isn't a "low elo only problem" anymore.
I propose giving Yasuo the Urgot/Akali treament, where he should be intentionally gutted til Riot figures out what the fk to do with him.
łnśane21 votesOh Yasuo kit is annoying to play against and he has a high banrate? Interesting. If only he can get the Akali treatment*[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]*
nahhh...he's too popular*[slayer-jinx-wink]*
Ifneth2 votesRiot Blaustoise explained why Riot has not yet gutted Yasuo: his playrate decreases little with his winrate. His mains would keep playing him despite his being gutted. While Blaustoise did not explain the consequences, we can readily imagine them.
Gutted Yasuo becomes a troll pick, losing his team the game in champion select, and thereby only increases the frustration of everyone else.
This increased frustration only increases his banrate, as players try to keep their teammates from picking Yasuo, even banning hovered ones.
Nerfing him more would only increase these two effects, eventually either making Yasuo a universal permaban or driving away even his most passionate players, effectively deleting him. You might rejoice the thought, but remember that the game would then be played with only 8 bans, and that even Azir has never been subjected to such punishment.
DracosKasu3 votesIsnt what they have done with akali. The main reasonwhy he escape the nerf is because he is popular and keep pumping the skin money.
SpaghettiVase1 votesThey've done that with a lot of champions to be honest. Blaustoise just doesn't want yas nerfed so he can int on him and still get free LP
Ayzev3 votesRiot Blaustoise explained why Riot has not yet gutted Yasuo: his playrate decreases little with his winrate.
Do we have evidence of this? Has he actually ever been outright weak? I can't remember any such time, even though I've been keeping track for at least a couple years.
Nerfing him more would only increase these two effects, eventually either making Yasuo a universal permaban
He already is
or driving away even his most passionate players, effectively deleting him.
There's plenty of other champions that they didn't hesitate to delete. To refrain from that in Yasuo's case is an inconsistency.
You might rejoice the thought, but remember that the game would then be played with only 8 bans
Either no one plays him, or he's perma-banned. Both won't happen, only one at a time.
even Azir has never been subjected to such punishment.
But he still has been subject to very harsh punishment. Yasuo, a worse offender, has not been subject to any punishment.
Daddy ReTaric2 votesOh Yasuo kit is annoying to play against and he has a high banrate? Interesting. If only he can get the Akali treatment*[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]*
nahhh...he's too popular*[slayer-jinx-wink]*
It should not be a reason to keep a cancer in this game because he is popular. 3/4 of the people who play him only play him because he is OP. Nerf him and his popularity drop to 4-5% at best.
Your Otter15 votesOh no, this champion is completely fine, I don't know what you're talking about tbh.
It's not like he gets like 10 years of immortality with his windwall.
It's not like he has 10 milion flashes thanks to your own minions.
He's definitely not one of the AD assassins that made all immobile mages only playable as a damage-dealing support.
It's not like turrets ignore him when he's ulting.
It's not like he negates your 1 ability thanks to his shield
It's not like he gets free crits thanks to his another passive (10 passive effects btw)
It's not like even if he goes 2/10 he can farm up and still be a huge threat in late game.
I could continue but I think this is enough. It's funny how you see boards spamming nerf Yasuo and Riot pretends like it's not there.
Emo Twink2 votesYEA, mobile champs mid like yasuo need to be nerfed to get immobile mages out of botlane, yasuo counters almost all of them badly and if he's open, he's guaranteed to get picked (popularity), counter them, and make it such a chore of a game. If they go bot, theyre safe from that.
Hügö13 votesBut but but people tell me he isn't a problem in high elo.
GripaAviara8 votesHe is banned in competitive now, so those ppl are full of bs or yas mains that don't want their champ gutted. And trust me, Yas mains are a huge lot of players.
Hügö1 votesPsssssst it was more of troll you know :P
Death Angel Kayn7 votesLearn to counter him? lol there isn't one. Show me 1 champ in the game that can 1v1 against him endgame @ anyone claiming this.
ORB1TS4 votes[{quoted}](name=Death Angel Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sdnbcmO6,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-03-04T02:26:10.956+0000)
Learn to counter him? lol there isn't one. Show me 1 champ in the game that can 1v1 against him endgame @ anyone claiming this.
Death Angel Kayn10 votesNope. A Yasuo full items shits on a Fiora full items.
Malix Farwin1 votes[{quoted}](name=Death Angel Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sdnbcmO6,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T06:41:07.563+0000)
Nope. A Yasuo full items shits on a Fiora full items.
Full item? he only needs 1. He has a 50% WR against Fiora, thats 1% below his current WR meaning a good Yasuo can dumpster her.
DrCyanide1 votes
Just start that 1v1 across the map. Trigger his shield with your ult + 
on a nearby minion (so he can't avoid it), then follow up with anything you'd like. He can only block your E, so if your not standing in a minion wave then it's his dodging vs your aiming, and he'll pop like any other swishy to a full build Xerath.
Seriously, Yasuo is one of the reasons I played so much Xerath.
Spicy Rice2 votesMy friends won't believe me when I say Xerath is sleeper OP.
A good xerath can singlehandedly stall out a lost game in the mid game, and basically 1v9 carry once he hits late game.
Daddy Ants1 votes[{quoted}](name=Death Angel Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sdnbcmO6,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-03-04T02:26:10.956+0000)
Learn to counter him? lol there isn't one. Show me 1 champ in the game that can 1v1 against him endgame @ anyone claiming this.
Jax can. Fiora can. Vayne can if she dances around the wall. Master Yi can. Kassadin maybe.
The thigh guy2 votesJax can. Fiora can. Vayne can if she dances around the wall. Master Yi can. Kassadin maybe.
Vayne is made irrelevant cause he can juggle inside the wall.
Jax is entirely dependent on how yasuo uses his ult to deal with counter strike.
Fiora requires prediction on her part.
Yi. Fuck this champion. But he still loses this fight due to tornado out ranging him.
Kassadin. Yeah maybe. Depends on whether or not he can manage to get his q shield on in time for the tornado.
Daddy Ants3 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sdnbcmO6,comment-id=000600030000,timestamp=2019-03-04T15:48:20.450+0000)
Vayne is made irrelevant cause he can juggle inside the wall.
Jax is entirely dependent on how yasuo uses his ult to deal with counter strike.
Fiora requires prediction on her part.
Yi. Fuck this champion. But he still loses this fight due to tornado out ranging him.
Kassadin. Yeah maybe. Depends on whether or not he can manage to get his q shield on in time for the tornado.
Even then with Kassadin that Q shield is a magic shield.
All of Yas damage is Physical except E.
Kass literally needs to 1 shot Yas.
The thigh guy1 votesEven then with Kassadin that Q shield is a magic shield.
All of Yas damage is Physical except E.
Kass literally needs to 1 shot Yas.
Yes. But it stops the knockup still. Which stops yasuos ult. Which lets kassadin have armor.
It’s still not likely but you know.
Spicy Rice3 votesUmm, kassadin doesn't have a spell shield.
Not saying he doesn't beat yasuo, just that q'ing a yasuo isn't gonna stop a nado.
Kassadin wins because Yasuo can't block or really dodge his e and ult, and late game, his ult is on a low enough cd that kass can ult in, combo, and ult out before yasuo has a tornado charged up
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Spicy Rice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sdnbcmO6,comment-id=000600030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T21:29:34.320+0000)
Umm, kassadin doesn't have a spell shield.
Not saying he doesn't beat yasuo, just that q'ing a yasuo isn't gonna stop a nado.
Kassadin wins because Yasuo can't block or really dodge his e and ult, and late game, his ult is on a low enough cd that kass can ult in, combo, and ult out before yasuo has a tornado charged up
My bad. I thought his w have a spell shield as well
But even so. This leads into a setting where kassadin only really wins, if yasuo misses his tornado (which he can make point and click) or if kassadin predicts what yasuo is going to do, which in turn means the matchup is nearly entirely decided by what yasuo does.
Spicy Rice1 votesOk, sure, you can e-q to essentially make tornado point and click, except for 1 small thing...
You can dodge the e-q, or rather, cause yasuo to overshoot. You can do this by walking towards him as he e-q's. You can dodge it by dashing away from it. You can dodge it by teleporting away from it as well.
Meaning you as Kassadin can decide to dodge the e-q, even without riftwalking.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Spicy Rice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sdnbcmO6,comment-id=00060003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T00:09:28.830+0000)
Ok, sure, you can e-q to essentially make tornado point and click, except for 1 small thing...
You can dodge the e-q, or rather, cause yasuo to overshoot. You can do this by walking towards him as he e-q's. You can dodge it by dashing away from it. You can dodge it by teleporting away from it as well.
Meaning you as Kassadin can decide to dodge the e-q, even without riftwalking.
Issue being, you have to have t2 boots to do so. If we are talking full builds, yasuo can’t be instant popped because he would just have a mr item and be done with it. Along with almost 3k hp after shielding.
MessyStuff1 votes[{quoted}](name=Death Angel Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sdnbcmO6,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-03-04T02:26:10.956+0000)
Learn to counter him? lol there isn't one. Show me 1 champ in the game that can 1v1 against him endgame @ anyone claiming this.
Ok, 
,
,
. There are three champions who can 1 v 1 yas late game.
MLDzXnRRR2 votesOk,
Yeah, and all 3 of them deserve reworks (Yi probably won't get it, because they want a basic "slayer" for the new players, but that champion really needs a new "E" ability and bugfixes on his Q - which is again unreliable, despite it was supposed bo fixed some time ago)
MessyStuff1 votesYeah, and all 3 of them deserve reworks (Yi probably won't get it, because they want a basic "slayer" for the new players, but that champion really needs a new "E" ability and bugfixes on his Q - which is again unreliable, despite it was supposed bo fixed some time ago)
Ok, how about 
? If there are no minions and the baits out the windwall before he ults, he definitely wins(Assuming he gets 
inside his E). I know that is extremely situational but Veigar should win a 1v1(if he's good).
Another champion who I feel might win against is 
. This guy will delete Yas so fast that there's no way for him to use his third Q and win.
And on the topic on the fact that those three need reworks, I feel like really needs a rework(not though) bc he's pretty much stat check(like 
, another champion who needs a rework). might need a rework but he's fine(has counterplay but is still strong).
IainG101 votesOld Kayle
TBH, I reckon that's why they reworked her: oh, your ranged-mode attacks are projectiles now... what a shame....windwalls
Phenomenal TKE6 votesEve was the OG "Gut until rework" champ
Glaricion2 votes[{quoted}](name=Deadman 24601,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sdnbcmO6,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-03T18:05:57.764+0000)
Eve was the OG "Gut until rework" champ
For how long could we not leave turret turret range w/o properly placed pinks, 2 or 4 weeks?
Might miss the good ol' days, but one aspect that I do not miss was just how ridiculously broken some champs could be.
MessyStuff5 votesOk, the reason why he has such high banrate in high elo(no I am not a Yas main) is because everyone hates him. He could have a 30% winrate and people will still hate him and continue to ban him. Banrate does not mean anything(at least in terms of Yas) bc everyone just automatically sees a Yas and hates on him. He has a 48% win percentage and just got nerfed. It's just that everyone dislikes him why his banrate is high.
WorksAtAGayBar43 votesOk, the reason why he has such high banrate in high elo(no I am not a Yas main) is because everyone hates him. He could have a 30% winrate and people will still hate him and continue to ban him. Banrate does not mean anything(at least in terms of Yas) bc everyone just automatically sees a Yas and hates on him. He has a 48% win percentage and just got nerfed. It's just that everyone dislikes him why his banrate is high.
If everyone hates this champion enough to ban him even if he has a low winrate, doesn't that say something about how his kit might be a bit toxic, enough to warrant some kind of reworking of kit?
BeatzBoyFTW6 votesOk, the reason why he has such high banrate in high elo(no I am not a Yas main) is because everyone hates him. He could have a 30% winrate and people will still hate him and continue to ban him. Banrate does not mean anything(at least in terms of Yas) bc everyone just automatically sees a Yas and hates on him. He has a 48% win percentage and just got nerfed. It's just that everyone dislikes him why his banrate is high.
You keep saying "dislike" without giving a single reason about it. Don't tell shit me about "banrate means nothing" if you can't backup your own argument.
MessyStuff1 votesYou keep saying "dislike" without giving a single reason about it.
Ok, people dislike him for two reasons, his w, and the fact that you can't poke him(passive). Lol, I'm not even trying to defend him, I'm just saying that citing banrate as a reason to gut Yasuo won't work. Yeah he needs a rework(not getting it anything soon,too popular), but gutting him until the rework is something that Riot won't do.
SiG DxD3 votesHIS CDS are urf level and its not fun
PrinceOfStorms2 votesThey need to take away 15 MS from him. 345 is way too much base movement speed for a champion that has a 0 cooldown dash. Full stop. And while they're at it remove the interaction between Attack Speed and Yasuo's Q (where its animation gets faster as you get more AS). If Yasuo wants to build full crit the attack speed should be a wasted stat.
Maybe also remove the EQ interaction and give the tornado a minimum range of 500 units.
ORB1TS1 votesWait you want them to literately gut the champion until they figure out how to balance him? That seems kinda absurd. Not to mention he has a 48 percent WR?
SomeOneButNoOne7 votesWait you want them to literately gut the champion until they figure out how to balance him? That seems kinda absurd. Not to mention he has a 48 percent WR?
Akali had a 46% winrate when she got overnerfed. Ryze had a 46% winrate, and he still got nerfed. Azir... was on like 44% winrate, and got nerfed.
Absurd? XD
ORB1TS1 votesAkali had a 46% winrate when she got overnerfed. Ryze had a 46% winrate, and he still got nerfed. Azir... was on like 44% winrate, and got nerfed.
Absurd? XD
Azir is a highskill champion you need to know how to play and ryze has had the lowest wr forever Akali flat out got gutted yes but there buffing her again next patch?
Emo Twink2 votesSo yas isnt a high skill cap champ? i agree.
ORB1TS1 votes[{quoted}](name=YoRHa 9S,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sdnbcmO6,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T02:20:29.791+0000)
So yas isnt a high skill cap champ? i agree.
He is early but late game it doesn't take as much skill as it would early. I'm not saying he doesn't take skill late just not as much because he can auto someone 3 times and they die. But he also breaks like glass late game so.
BeatzBoyFTW4 votesWait you want them to literately gut the champion until they figure out how to balance him? That seems kinda absurd. Not to mention he has a 48 percent WR?
A lower-than-average winrate thanks to people constantly banning his ass at 62%. Other stats still means something, y'know.
Cloud2731 votesSo please, cut your "stop crying & learn to counter him" bullshit & just admit that Yasuo is definitely a problem. This isn't a "low elo only problem" anymore.
I propose giving Yasuo the Urgot/Akali treament, where he should be intentionally gutted til Riot figures out what the fk to do with him.
If he's so strong then why do I never see him in LCS?
BeatzBoyFTW3 votesIf he's so strong then why do I never see him in LCS?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXma3MwE0-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGfH5Frhr7g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-DChGFTUtg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsWSE23_Kmc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnpqY-eh9nY&t=876s
Any other stupid bullshit you wanna add in?
Cloud2731 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXma3MwE0-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGfH5Frhr7g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-DChGFTUtg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsWSE23_Kmc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnpqY-eh9nY&t=876s
Any other stupid bullshit you wanna add in?
That's barely any play at all. And how many of those games did he actually win? Probably none at all.
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesThat's barely any play at all. And how many of those games did he actually win? Probably none at all.
If he were indeed shit, pro-players shouldn't be this stupid to pick Yasuo at all.
chipndip11 votesIf he were indeed shit, pro-players shouldn't be this stupid to pick Yasuo at all.
Pros have been stupid enough to pick Sona in the past. Sometimes pros do stupid stuff, too.
Anywho, about the thread: Idk where this shit trend of making arguments around ban rate, rather than pick/win rate, became a thing, but it's insanely nauseating to think that people on these boards actually think it's a legit claim to make about champion strength.
SpaghettiVase1 votes"barely played at all" and he's still played. You know there are champions who NEVER see the LCS stage right? Neeko's first game (I believe in the entire pro league scene) was just on Saturday and she's been out for months
