How about nerfing Aftershock for ranged champions?

RNJudas·Apr 12, 2019·10 votes·8,200 views

Since people complain about Aftershock abusers, why not nerf the bonus stats given for ranged champs, like how Conqueror got nerfed for ranged champs? Off the top of my head, this would mostly affect Lissandra and Fiddle support plus a few other niche picks, and since Aftershock was intended to be a rune for tanks and pretty much all the tanks and bruisers are melee (Urgot takes Conqueror anyways), I feel like this could be generally a pretty good solution for balancing Aftershock (sorry Lissandra/support Fiddlesticks mains).

What do you guys think?

12 Comments

GayFluffyUnicornApr 12, 20194 votes

That would make sense.

Not something a rioter would do.

Its All SkillzzApr 12, 20192 votes

When i full comboed R W Q Iginited Gunblade active on a quinn as ap ezreal and she lived due to aftershock giving her insane resitances, this was when i dicovered how dumb that keystone was. only matter of time before you see aftershock vayne popping someone with E and getting 100+ mr/armor.

RagnaveilApr 12, 20192 votes

I mean, Vayne would rather have Fleet, PTA, or this is something i've seen before, HoB. Aftershock would only last a bit but with the amount of burst damage in the game, her health pool wont make it work.

VolocaustApr 13, 20191 votes

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When i full comboed R W Q Iginited Gunblade active on a quinn as ap ezreal and she lived due to aftershock giving her insane resitances, this was when i dicovered how dumb that keystone was. only matter of time before you see aftershock vayne popping someone with E and getting 100+ mr/armor.

the reason Vayne wont get this is because a competent Vayne will never let you near her if you're melee LUL and if you're a mage or someshit that class is so broken not amount of MR will save you.

FelixFurryApr 13, 20192 votes

Lissandra mains have no problem with nerfing Aftershock, we want it GONE.

Take a glance at the Lissandra mains discord or Reddit and you'll see pretty much everyone is pissed that they would rather nerf Lissandra than aftershock. She wasn't even strong before people discovered Aftershock on her in August/September. This was before her passive rework in late October, which means Aftershock had a direct impact on her strength.

Don't nerf the champion because of the rune.

Cind3rkickApr 12, 20191 votes

How about adding this to aftershock:

To deal damage with this keystone, ranged champions must put themselves into the enemy team, placing themselves at risk of immediately dying

WarpesApr 12, 20191 votes

no because its important to nerf the champions rather than the problem with abuse. and vice versa when the problem is a champion and not the item thats being nerfed

-rito logic.

PartholonianApr 12, 20191 votes

Thresh and Rakan are ranged, so that seems like a pretty big problem with your suggestion.

What specific ranged champions do you think are a problem with Aftershock? Is Aftershock really the problem and not their champion design or ratios?

Emo TwinkApr 13, 20192 votes

Rakan normally takes guardian, and Thresh is a top tier support atm and could use a hit. Could buff him if bad afterwards too.

RNJudasApr 13, 20192 votes

Thresh is a good point, Aftershock's definitely the best keystone on him and him getting reduced stats could have a pretty big impact on him. The first thing that comes to mind is Thresh taking Guardian instead and having his defensive stats buffed a bit to compensate but that's just an initial thought. Rakan typically takes Guardian so I'd say getting a nerfed Aftershock is less of an issue on him.

My main issue with Aftershock is it being abused by non-tanks to create safer trades and reduce counterplay, mostly Fiddlesticks and Lissandra as well as more niche things like Aftershock Lux support and Quinn. Lissandra is categorised as a burst mage but she still takes Aftershock because of how much it gives her despite Riot intending Aftershock to be a tank rune. Hell, I didn't think Aftershock Lux support would be a thing and while there are other runes like Shield Bash, Bone Plating and Revitalize that make it viable it's still something that doesn't really fit with what Riot say they want to go for. There's also stuff like Aftershock Ryze (apparently there's some tank Aftershock Ryze meta in Korea that doesn't sound fun) but honestly we'll have to see whether any of those stick around.

Either way I'm not an expert on this stuff, I'm just throwing out thoughts and I appreciate the discussion anyways :)

LetMeAfkPlssApr 13, 20191 votes

nerf aftershock in general it's a stupid rune on tanks they do ridiculous otherwise risky shit and aftershock gives them sejuani's old passive for landing an ability and there they take literally 0 damage from it