Why AP Champs need NEW CDR items

junglerboy16··3 votes·703 views

So most of you are probably thinking "Yeah, this is old news, we know that mages need better CDR options." But have you ever considered why? Why is it that suddenly mages feel this lack of CDR itemization now? Over the past few seasons, this has been a slow but steady trend that most of us haven't noticed until this preseason hit. I think there are a few ways to look at this:

1. Other classes have only been given more and more CDR.

  • item 3071 was reworked to have 20%, buff to ADC and bruisers
  • item 3504 was added, more for supports
  • item 3060 was reworked, more for supports
  • item 3812 was added, more for ADC and bruisers
  • item 3508 was added then reworked, tons of CDR for ADCs and some assassins
  • item 3025 was buffed to 20%, buff to bruisers
  • item 3056 was reworked, buff to supports and bruiser/tanks
  • item 3078 given CDR
  • item 3050 added, buff to supports

2. Mages have steadily lost access to CDR.

  • DFG: removed. -10% accessible CDR
  • Twin Shadows: removed. -10% accessible CDR
  • item 3060 reworked. -20% accessible CDR
  • Blue buff: Nerfed, -10% accessible CDR

Mages have in return been given only one new way to get CDR: item 3100.

Moving on, I think the key thing to keep in mind for future AP+CDR items is that mages don't want any more CDR+Mana regen items. What mages want and need are items with stats like DFG (high AP and some CDR, and a good passive or active) or BoC (moderate AP, high CDR, good passive or active), NOT another AP/CDR/Mana regen item like morrellonomicon or Athene's.

Some good places to start would be variations off of the Black market brawler items Pox Arcana, Rite of Ruin, and Netherstride Grimoire (minus the mana regen).

14 Comments

Posui Gart1 votes

The problem is in slot-efficiency. You can have 120 AP ROA and 120+ AP Seraph... or you can go 60+80 AP Grail+Morello, that results in 80 AP difference. I understand that we should make a choice between full AP and AP+CDR, but AD casters can easily have both. And another problem is that AD casters can AA for a decent damage while their spells are on cooldown while mages are useless

khorney1 votes

Morro and lich bane your not losing anything this way

Posui Gart1 votes

Lichbane is: -viable only on AA-based mages -gives only 80 AP -gives only 10% cdr

khorney1 votes

it can be used on everyone ..... you dont need to be aa based to use it

Posui Gart1 votes

It costs 3200. Morello costs 2550, gives you 10% more cdr, some manaregen and GW. Unless you can reliably proc Spellblade-you are paying 650 gold for -10% cdr

khorney1 votes

but doing more damage becuase of the proc on lich bane

SlashStriker1 votes

cdr/level runes up to 15% maybe they should add cdr to Luden

khorney1 votes

I don't have a problem reaching th3 desired amount of cd lich bane and morro or Athens ... Or nasjors and lich bane I don't see why people complain . people are to ludens happy sure raise your burst but lose cd not a trade off

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

Blue buff: Nerfed, -10% accessible CDR

What blue buff still gives CDR, did you mean blue elixir?

Twin Shadows: removed. -10% accessible CDR

No one ever build twin shadows & item 3092 is more mage accessible version that gives 10% CDR.

Also Vladimir exists rito has to be very careful about manaless CDR items.

And mages in general have the largest gains from CDR, so they shouldn't have the easiest of access to maxing it.

junglerboy161 votes

as in the jungle buff, it used to give 20% CDR, now it gives 10%.

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

that was changed over 2 years ago...

junglerboy161 votes

Hence why I said:

Over the past few seasons

My whole point in this thread is that over the past 2 years mages have been losing access to CDR.

Its All Skillzz1 votes

Ezreal item 3092 item 3100 item 3158 +10% flat cdr runes give me 45% cdr soon as i buy sheen codex and boots. another variation i like to go is to take 15% scaling cdr runes and build magic pen boots and use percesion since without boots and that mastery i lack some early game pen.

Centuros1 votes

And supports need fewer CDR items. Seriously, sometimes I have problems deciding what to build because I'm at 40% and everything I want has more CDR...

More from Gameplay

More by junglerboy16