Mundo has Identity Crisis

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Mundo knows who Mundo is, Mundo is Mundo.. Right?

Yes but what is he a tank? If he is a tank why is he diein more often now then ever? Does he scale off of Ap or Ad ? If he is fed do you build mr to counter his magic or armor to counter his E steroid? How would you even know if he is maxing E first? What if you rush magic resist early to find out he chunks with E? Why is his win rate low in this preseason? Why is top Mundo less of a factor now in team fights even if fed? Why do people prefer to have a Fed Nasus compared to a fed Mundo?

See Mundo scales off of health and health regeneration, all Riot has to do is introduce a ant to summoners rift that once killed gives Mundo +1. Hp regen and he is broken. What can you do really to balance him? Well till now all I see are nerfs to him and buffs to others, I had 55% win rate at the end of season now it's 50% why is that? Yeah maybe I suck but 0% winrate in LCS do they suck too? :( somewhere is a problem .

A couple of factors:

The Morellos Meta: Morellos used to be situational you would get it because you need to counter Healing champs now it's a must build. Mundo has to deal with Morellos every game fed or not, your ult is reduced by half.

Baron Nerfs: barons healing removed another strike at Mundo whether you like it or not.

No buffs Dragon: yea you heard right, no buffs from Dragon really help mundo because unlike Garen or Maokai he does not scale with Ap or Ad he is pure hp scaling. Unlike champions like Nasus or Rammus he does not deal extra damage to towers either.

And that is Mundos problem.. He scales with Hp too hard, his base damages too high, one ignite and he hurting, no ignite and he is hurting other people.

So Rito I know he is an old champion, I have a lot of games played with him, I know every subliminal and actual nerfs he got, from the hp regen from randuins removed, force heart of gold, cleaver width, warmogs un stackable, from 1k hp to 800 on mogs, tamas inpaler removed. I can go on and on but it's not fair to keep going because hp is such a huge factor in game and to release or remove one hp item is effecting him. My suggestion for Mundo is to reduce his health scaling and buff else where. You guys can buff him with some form of gap closer or cc while removing some of his heavy sustain. I don't think he needs a FULL rework because Mundos kit appeals greatly to new players trying to play a simple champion.. But he does need something to separate the new players from the greats and right now all it is is cleaver aiming.

Edit: I know a lot of typos I posted from phone but I also can give ideas, maybe his passive can be changed to like 3 second invulnerability when low hp that has a cool down, sort of like Volibears passive but no healing. Or maybe less heals on ultimate more shorter cool down, his ultimate could even just be a temporary large shield, so everyone knows not to focus him. If you want to introduce cc maybe when attacking with E after someone is Q you disrupt them or stun them of course reducing the slow on Q in process. If you want a gap closer maybe something with his W a mini trust jump I don't know. His lot has a lot of potential for change you could even make use of a reward system for landing cleavers. Regardless of what happens his hp scaling needs to be gutted and in doing so he either needs real scaling abilities with ap or ad, gap closing or some cc. Another idea is to make his E pure magic damage on hit instead of physical damage so people know to build MR to counter him.

Edit 2 : when I say health scaling I mean hp regen too

Edit 3: I will clean this all up later still on phone but would just like to mention, Riot wanted Mundo to be played as a jungler and as of now he can clear but is extremely vulnerable and it's risky early. His W hurts him but I feel it can be viable if so many champions didn't have escapes. Mundo has no gap closer and hi cleaver width got reduced making it that much harder to successfully hank. He really has no cc for that.

16 Comments

Tis a nice day5 votes

I read the first half of this thread in Mundo's voice and accent. Then I realized you actually ended it by the first sentence.

Mundo3 votes

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I read the first half of this thread in Mundo's voice and accent. Then I realized you actually ended it by the first sentence.

Haha I actually used to role play ingame as Mundo but got raged at when I was doing bad :(

TheKingDodo1 votes

When you begin to feed, just tell your teammates you want to hear more "mundo...! D:"s

Mundo1 votes

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When you begin to feed, just tell your teammates you want to hear more "mundo...! D:"s

Ill remember that Lols. Its been great talking to you all about Mundo.

Mundo4 votes

A lot of ppl would think I want Mundo to be op, I swear to you I don't. I want him balanced. If he is op he would get banned in ranked often and I wouldn't be able to play him. If he is the way he is now people complain to me that he doesn't offer much cc or tower pressure. Most tanks in the game have either AD scaling for towers or AP cc or utility. Mundo just has a really old kit. I mean even if you hover over his passive it won't show it's effect currently like most champs.

Tin Tarantino3 votes

What if an adjustment was made to his passive that gave him bonus resists when grievous wounds were applied? wouldn't need to be a lot but it could make him a bit easier to balance around ignite/morellos

vonGroopah2 votes

I'm with you on moronomicon really hurting Mundo. Like you said he's getting picked in competitive but he's not the best top laner. Up there he has to contend with Irelia, Gnar, Rumble, Sion, and Maokai as the most popular laners (with Lulu, Kayle, Cassio & Renekton seeing little use). He's been picked four times since OGN 2015 started and all his games have been wins, but the only player who does well on him is Shy (played 2 out of the four Dr. Mundo games). The only identity I can think of for Dr. Mundo is fat guy that either lobs cleavers to poke down the enemy frontline or bumrushes the ADC as soon as he gets tanks enough.

http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/SBENU_Champions_Spring_2015/Scoreboards/Week_1 http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/SBENU_Champions_Spring_2015/Scoreboards/Week_2

Star PlatinumELO1 votes

Mundo is broken when he pleases

TehNACHO1 votes

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Yes but what is he a tank?

No.

He's a Fighter. Different thing.

Mundo1 votes

Like I said earlier his passive and ult both have too much healing and it hurts him too much when ignited and makes him to strong when not. That passive idea is a good idea but it would hurt his sustain in lane too so I feel he would need a buff else where. You know all of Season 4 mundo was recommended to buy jungler items in store but how many times did you ever see a mundo jg?

Mundo1 votes

I'm going to type out a whole bunch of ideas later on right now I'm on phone. Maybe something like he gains Attack Speed with E and his passive would be ignite makes him gain AD.

Rebonack1 votes

Best buff for Mundo:

  1. Rework Athene's into a Tank item (kindle+chalice+glacial).
  2. Remove Morello's healing reduction passive and give it a mana-regen augmenting passive instead.

Mages don't need two giant AP/CDR/Mana regen items. Killing all sources of Grievous Wounds itemization would help Mundo a ton.

Mundo1 votes

Rebonack I know what your saying is great for Mundo but it's TOO great, he will become the new OP with that. What really needs to be done is make it so he uses heals less often, a lot of champions have Heals in kit but only Mundo has self heals in two abilities and with such a great amount of heals from his ultimate and consistent heals from his passive.. grievous really harms him

Xela Syab1 votes

Idk I used to be a mundo main, but with all the hits to hp and hp regen there's no point in picking him up anymore. He's also gotten way too many nerfs to his ult. He really needs either to be reworked to a full tank with hard cc with some supportive capability, or as an tankmage like Vlad and Morde.

Xela Syab1 votes

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Idk I used to be a mundo main, but with all the hits to hp and hp regen there's no point in picking him up anymore. He's also gotten way too many nerfs to his ult. He really needs either to be reworked to a full tank with hard cc with some supportive capability (his q or r heals allies and his w does cc reduction to teammates), or as an tankmage like Vlad and Morde(ap scaling on q and his e does bonus magic damage).

Fishmaster90001 votes

I think mundo is fine. He is a powerful tank with great sustain but suffers from lack of scaling. He is not op but i would consider him a very good champ. He might be epic in some games and bad in others but that can be said about most champs. I think mundo is balanced and very fun to play.

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