Annie is Vi

Mundo··51 votes·21,551 views

Note before reading remember this is just conspiracy theories as of now and guesses.

**NEW Check out the new Vi teasers that hint that Annie can be Vi! ** http://i.imgur.com/LFgmXy9.jpg http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/12/mysterious-teaser.html It shows Vi without her armour, wearing similiar clothes to Annie with her top sleeves up between her shoulder and elbows just like Annie has in her splash. It also shows fire coming out of Vi's hands hinting Vi may have the ability to use fire and is the way the robotic fists are powered. Also another note is a file being uploaded by the name "dead eye" can possibly be a refrence to Tibbers missing eye.

NEW UPDATE WITH EKKO: STORY: _ [Story may sound all over the place but it makes more sense and fitting with clues below, also this is just speculation and my version of events, the main reason for this post is to put things together and figure out if Annie and Vi are truly the same person.]_

Annie was left at Noxus her parents abandoned her to go North to Zaun to seek a new life. She was left with Tibbers and headed to Zaun to look for them. Possibly at around six years old Annie [VI] met with Jinx and Ekko, both around the same age. All 3 of them would get into trouble [along with others] and Ekko would save them using his time machine. None of them aged because of Ekkos constant rewind._ [Ekkos in game taunts show that Vi and Jinx were part of his crew, this means that all three were of similiar age and in the same group, Vi would have left first, then Jinx left leaving Ekko to stay the same age] Annie/Vi at age six joined this group and had Tibbers taken from her by Jinx. Normally Ekko would probably interfere but Ekko had a crush on Jinx [In game taunts suggest this] so she let Jinx keep Tibbers and Annie/Vi got mad so she left the group [possibly for the other group stated in lore at age 11] . So Annie/VI gets upset over this ordeal and begins to refer to herself as VI [Roman numeral for 6, can be the day her parents left her or Tibbers was taken_], not referring to herself as Annie the name her parents gave her since they abandoned her [Says so in lore]. When questioned about her name Vi would never tell people that its all over a teddy bear or because thats the age her parents left her, so she just says "it stands for Vi". Now Ekko and his crew kept getting into problems and soon after Ekko kicks Jinx out. He had a crush on her but she had to much of a passion for her guns. Vi ended up joining some bad people and got her self stuck in a situation in a mine. To be the hero or villain so she choose to be the hero. She used her fire power to power up some steam powered gauntlets that were left broken. [notice her fists shoot out steam ingame]. Now she finds out Jinx [the one who has Tibbers] is out doing all this vandalism and decided to join up with Cait, mainly at getting back at Jinx. The reason why Vi and Jinx and Ekko have such a weird time gap between each other reflects on the time the parted from the group since Ekko can rewind time. Vi left first Jinx second.

Original Topic: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3226848 Not saying that story is 100% true but definitely same person.

Get Jinxed Video: 2:16 .. TIBBERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlJuwO0GDs

Proof:

Same hair color and style.

Notice Annie's eyebrows and Vi's eyebrows the same.

What about Vi's right leg? It has grey and black stripes but look at Annie's socks.. they striped too.

Is it a coincidence both Vi and Annie have same dress?

Annie had a bow in her hair Vi has goggles.

Vi's fists resemble huge hands much like Tibber's paws.

Arguments:

The eye colors are different but most of Annie and Vi's skins have different eye colors but it is still the champ champion. Another defense for this is a lot of times in anime especially when a person loses a power that persons eye colors would change.. so maybe Annie losing Tibbers made her lose a huge part of her power causing her eye color to revert back to her natural born eye colors. I feel Tibbers maybe a huge source of power for Annie.

Another argument is how come Annie doesn't attack with fire as Vi. BUT after farther investigation of this I realized Vi's has a temperature guage on her Fist that may be because her Fist's are actually powered by Fire and that is used to keep it going. When playing champions like Jayce Viktor or Blitzcrank you see electricity coming out from the weapons but Vi releases steam from her fists. Another thing to think about is Vi lost Tibbers and Annies Fire power is much weaker when Tibbers isn't in her possession. Maybe the very low amount of fire power Annie has was used to power up Vi's heat powered gauntlets. [They produce steam]

Final Argument is the time argument.. how are they both here at the same time? Well Ekko, Vi and Jinx were once on the same team. Ekko time travels, so anything is possible.

Extra:

Annie's lore says she from Noxus, Vi's lore says she was in the outskirts of Piltover at age 6.

Vi Lore

As a child growing up in the** lawless outskirts of Piltover**, Vi learned to rob and cheat to get by. Stealing and stripping hextech hardware gave her the skills of a master mechanic, while life on the streets taught her self-reliance. When she was six, a ragtag group of criminals took a shine to the young delinquent and brought her into their fold.

This above means Vi grew up in the outskirts of Piltover.. that would sound like Zaun. The ragtag group of criminals could be Ekko and Jinx, this also says she was 6 years old when she joined around Annies age.

Annie Lore

It is this same girl who now finds herself as one of the most sought-after champions within the League of Legends - even by the city-state who would have exiled her parents had they not fled beforehand.

This means Annies parents left Noxus.. most likely for Zaun. Annie just like Vi are both young and off to fend for themselves.

Jinx Lore

Though the young woman's origins were a mystery, some saw traces of Piltover hextech in her firearms, while others described the street fashions of Zaun in her dress.

This above sounds like Jinx was also from the outskirts of Piltover.. Zaun side.

Now first off if you look at the map of Runterra you will see that Annie's parents were first** introduced to each other in the Voodoo Lands**, they made a trek out over the mountains and finale they arrive in Noxus and have Annie. Now in the Lore it never speaks of Annie ever being of over the age of 2 years old.. and around this time her** parents were to be exiled from Noxus but they decided to leave on their own**.. where else are her parents to go but north? Or do you think they would turn back to go to the Voodoo lands the place that was so difficult for them to get through in the first place? So Annie, just like in Vi's lore was alone in her early child hood. In Vi's lore it says at the age of 6 a group of criminals took her in... Now it says this happened in the Outskirts of Piltover. Well Piltover borders Zaun and Zaun is the only possible other location Annies parents would have went after leaving Noxus. Is it a coincedence that Vi was taken in by criminals at the age of 6 [VI Numeral] and she has such a grudge against Jinx? Is it a coincidence her name Vi can also be roman numerals for 6 while IN HER LORE is mentions she was introduced to a criminal group at 6. VI's name has an extra meaning to it and this is what it got to be. The criminals took Vi in and one of which was Jinx. JINX took Tibbers! That is why Jinx has Tibbers in the video.

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If annie had vertical stripes I might have believed you. But ALSO check out the Neon Strike Vi bear features.

Oh my God more proof Neon Striker Vi has an imprint of a mouse on it.. the same one Annie has!

*Jinx had Tibbers and her being rivals with Vi... something seems fishy.. almost like Vi's main reason she after Jinx is because Tibbers is missing. Vi says she doesn't want to help Cait out but is helping "just to beat up criminals" I think its to find Tibbers also remember what Annie says "Have you seen Tibbers?" Annie always looking for Tibbers and Vi always looking for Jinx. Also a lot of confusion why Annie has fire power and Vi doesn't but if you read the Lore Annie herself made Tibbers and she herself puts Tibbers into doll form.. maybe when Annie doesn't have the teddy bear form she also loses her fire ability. Sorry my this topic got edited like 1000 times so its all over the place *

Ekko:

When speaking about Vi: "One day, you'll come back to Zaun." "You forgot your roots, Vi." "Hey, sellout!"

When speaking about Jinx: "I had a crush - until you started talking to the gun."

Btw I know this is all a stretch and I am just hoping you all had some fun reading it ahah. But in all seriousness I feel there has to be some type of connection because of the Tibbers in the Get Jinxed video Any Rioters who read this hope you laughed lol.

80 Comments

Dingding12321 votes

Zilean, pls.

Bone Däddy14 votes

Mind = Blown

junglerboy1611 votes

YES! So many ANSWERS!

Wait... Could it actually be that they are sisters? huh...

Celio Hogane HD4 votes

You are not supose to talk about that yet.

Electro52211 votes

I'm sorry, but you have it wrong about Annie's parents. They met in Noxus, but fled to the Voodoo lands, and had Annie there. Due to them both being powerful magicians, and the amount of magical power in the Voodoo lands, gave Annie her incredible power.

Also, Zaun is not the outskirts of Piltover. If you look on the map, they are on opposite sides of what looks like a bay, and a very big one at that. This map is not entirely to scale, so cities appear to be much closer then they really are.

That being said, I like the theory, and can see how it works. Annie's parents may not have stayed in the Voodoo lands and migrated to Piltover, since it is called the city of tomorrow. However, when they moved, something may have happened where her parents died, leaving her in a traumatic state where the few memories she had were practically wiped clean. Then we have the story of Vi.

As for them being on the Rift together? Well, the game is called League of Legends. If we look at Braum, its stated that Ashe heard stories of him when she was just a child. This make Braum incredibly old, almost as old as most legends.

So, Annie and Vi have the same person, but they are representations of the same person from different time periods; they're both legends.

I'm pretty sure I just figured out where Riot is going with the lore.

JQKAndrei1 votes

Every time you wrote legends i chilled.

Electro5221 votes

How on Earth did you find this thread? It was posted a year ago.

SteampunkUnicorn1 votes

Three now. [sg-miss-fortune]

Jason Vorheis8 votes

Exactly why riot needs to freaking step it up with the lore :/

Big Bang Bob7 votes

This is much better than Nocturne = Zed

Asdeft8 votes

No, the Zed =Nocturne theory has a ton of clues going towards it (Or even the theory that Shen created Nocturne in a nightmare about Zed) and may even be where riot goes when nocturnes lore gets updated soon. This Annie =Vi theory is quite a stretch and doesnt have any real connections going for them. I would say the bear on neon vi's gauntlet is one thing that could hint, but none of the other info fits together based on their lore.

Mundo1 votes

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No, the Zed =Nocturne theory has a ton of clues going towards it (Or even the theory that Shen created Nocturne in a nightmare about Zed) and may even be where riot goes when nocturnes lore gets updated soon. This Annie =Vi theory is quite a stretch and doesnt have any real connections going for them. I would say the bear on neon vi's gauntlet is one thing that could hint, but none of the other info fits together based on their lore.

What about simply VIs name is a roman numeral 6.. in VI's lore it specifically states Vi was approached by a criminal group at age 6.

Now just think why would VI have such a grudge against Jinx specifically? In both the lores of Jinx and Vi it states they both have a past in Piltover Outskirts which is basically Zaun.

In Annies lore it only mentions about her parents leaving Annie in Noxus. It says nothing of what became of her past the age of 2.. Why would Annies parent turn back to the Woods they barely survived they would head north to Zaun.

Terra D Serph9 votes

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What about simply VIs name is a roman numeral 6.. in VI's lore it specifically states Vi was approached by a criminal group at age 6.

Now just think why would VI have such a grudge against Jinx specifically? In both the lores of Jinx and Vi it states they both have a past in Piltover Outskirts which is basically Zaun.

In Annies lore it only mentions about her parents leaving Annie in Noxus. It says nothing of what became of her past the age of 2.. Why would Annies parent turn back to the Woods they barely survived they would head north to Zaun.

Vi was in a gang at 6 years old. Annie is about 9. 9 minus 6 is...

League of Legends 3 confirmed. Wait...

Rikari6 votes

Annie Red Hair Vi Pink Hair Also how do you explain the relationship with Caitlyn Jinx Vi And what would happen if Vi was to come against Annie on the Rift?

Mundo4 votes

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Annie Red Hair Vi Pink Hair Also how do you explain the relationship with Caitlyn Jinx Vi And what would happen if Vi was to come against Annie on the Rift?

http://www.lolking.net/models.php/?champion=1&skin=0 Very much purple not Red sir.

Jesus is Savior6 votes

I'm going to vote no for one reason only.

"Annie may be one of the most powerful champions ever to have fought in a Field of Justice. I shudder to think of her capabilities when she becomes an adult." ― High Councilor Kiersta Mandrake

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Annie/Background

"Adult Annie" would not be using steampunk fists. "Adult Annie" would be igniting the entire fields of justice with her insane fire powers. She would be one of those champions where their lore (before the removal of the League) said "her true power is being held back by the League of Legends, lest she destroy the entire fields of justice, and even Runeterra"

PerishSoftly1 votes

That was retconned! :D The League, and thus the Councilors no longer exist!

Thine argument is invalid.

Jesus is Savior4 votes

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That was retconned! :D The League, and thus the Councilors no longer exist!

Thine argument is invalid.

it hasn't been deleted from the game client yet.

Narasimha3 votes

Ok, so the League is gone.

Literally all that means is that someone else says the same exact thing.

Cindikle5 votes

What if instead. Annie is Vi's sister?

Annie's parents had a second home Piltover perhaps. Where they had planned to start a family and leave Noxus behind. At some point they changed their mind for whatever reason. And left that life behind, including Vi.

Annie has similar clothing because their taste in what they want their children to wear.

SunGold5 votes

Cute theory but: annie has green eyes and** VI **has blue eyes.

and i always thought that annie was katarina. Annie -> Katarina

Mundo2 votes

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Cute theory but: annie has green eyes and** VI **has blue eyes.

and i always thought that annie was katarina. Annie -> Katarina

How do you even know that is her eye color? Every skin for Annie and Vi have different colors. In Vi's spash its purple in Neon its blue. Contacts maybe :D

Lolz but Kat does have blue eyes

-- you are right in the eye color being the biggest argument over this.

redniwediS4 votes

The main flaw I see with this is that they both exist at the same time and have very different capabilities. So unless Annie goes back in time once she's a little older and loses her magic I don't see this being a thing.

Mundo4 votes

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The main flaw I see with this is that they both exist at the same time and have very different capabilities. So unless Annie goes back in time once she's a little older and loses her magic I don't see this being a thing.

Yea that is a good argument but with ZIlean time travel is possible.. about her magic being gone maybe Vi's fist suppress her fire power and possibly they even run on fire power. Do you ever see electricity coming from Vi's fists? I see it in Jayce and in Blitzcrank but not Vi.. all I see in Vi's fists are heat and it even has a temperature guage on them.

redniwediS6 votes

By all appearances the fists run on steam power. This could match the use of fire, but Piltover and it's techmaturgy are well beyond such simple power sources. It could be steam caused from magical fire, but there's nothing so far that says this fire couldn't come from a secondary power source.

Now, Annie doesn't just throw fire, she can surround herself with it as a protective shield, and bind entities to objects for later use. By all accounts she should have a truly massive amount of magical power once she grows up and masters it, which doesn't match Vi at all. I'd say a very traumatic event of her own making could cause her to stop using her power so freely, and while it may explain Vi's reckless nature (trying to escape her past) it seems like a bit of a stretch.

As for Zilean, has he shown any capability of actually transporting someone through time? His mind wanders it against his will, and he has technically stopped it in defined areas (though that may have been retconned), but I don't know if this would even be something Runeterran magic is capable of.

Envy Sin1 votes

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I'm sorry, but you have it wrong about Annie's parents. They met in Noxus, but fled to the Voodoo lands, and had Annie there. Due to them both being powerful magicians, and the amount of magical power in the Voodoo lands, gave Annie her incredible power.

Also, Zaun is not the outskirts of Piltover. If you look on the map, they are on opposite sides of what looks like a bay, and a very big one at that. This map is not entirely to scale, so cities appear to be much closer then they really are.

That being said, I like the theory, and can see how it works. Annie's parents may not have stayed in the Voodoo lands and migrated to Piltover, since it is called the city of tomorrow. However, when they moved, something may have happened where her parents died, leaving her in a traumatic state where the few memories she had were practically wiped clean. Then we have the story of Vi.

As for them being on the Rift together? Well, the game is called League of Legends. If we look at Braum, its stated that Ashe heard stories of him when she was just a child. This make Braum incredibly old, almost as old as most legends.

So, Annie and Vi have the same person, but they are representations of the same person from different time periods; they're both legends.

I'm pretty sure I just figured out where Riot is going with the lore.

This would also make sense. Technically Ashe and Braum shouldn't exist at the same time.

redniwediS3 votes

We don't really know what long term interaction with true ice can do to a mortal. Perhaps that is how the Watchers turned people into Iceborn, making Braum and later on Ashe and Sejuani candidates for being new Iceborn.

Onegarion4 votes

This is beyond believable. I give you credit for trying but there is no way i'm going to buy into this. There are way to many holes in this theory to make it viable. It would be interesting Head canon tho.

ExDraw3 votes

this is starting to make sense.....

Mundo3 votes

So I just went into a brainstorm investigation through ALL of the lores and pieces together.. Jinx stole Tibbers from Annie at age 6. That was the age Annie was in the lawless outskirts of Piltover [Zaun side] VI doesn't refer to herself as Annie not only because her parents left her but because at the age of 6 [roman numerals VI] she was taken in by a group of criminals one being Jinx. Something happened to VI at the age of 6 for her to have that etched in her face and I feel its this.

Vesarixx1 votes

Jinx appears to be a bit younger than Vi, and Annie can shoot fire out of her hands, how is ~4 year old jinx going to steal tibbers exactly? If anything maybe they were friends and Annie gave her tibbers, could be that Jinx is trying to get Vi/Annie to remember who she is by showing her how much fun mayhem can be or something(maybe they caused a lot of mayhem together?), maybe she just wants her friend(who has amnesia) back.

Mundo1 votes

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Jinx appears to be a bit younger than Vi, and Annie can shoot fire out of her hands, how is ~4 year old jinx going to steal tibbers exactly? If anything maybe they were friends and Annie gave her tibbers, could be that Jinx is trying to get Vi/Annie to remember who she is by showing her how much fun mayhem can be or something(maybe they caused a lot of mayhem together?), maybe she just wants her friend(who has amnesia) back.

thats possible too buddy. But I mean Jinx only appears young but nobody knows for sure her age. I seen some girls 28 yrs old look like both Jinx and Vi. Some are mature some are immature. My cousin who lives on a farm she goes out and drinks and parties she reminds me of Jinx while my coworker works in the office lives high end appartment and reminds me of Vi but they both same age but if you saw them you would think they 10 yrs apart.

Dreamspitter2 votes

If annie had vertical stripes I might have believed you. But ALSO check out the Neon Strike Vi bear features.

Mundo5 votes

@Dreamspitter Good find props. Man

ravenswolfy2 votes

You could say that Vi's gauntlets channel and suppress the pyromancy power.

Molten Shield (Annie's E) gets focused into Blast Shield (Vi's Passive)

Incinerate (Annie's W) gets focused and channeled through the gauntlets to give us a jet engine effect used for Vi's Ultimate 'Assault and Battery' and for Vault Breaker (Vi's Q)

Because of the latent pyromancy powers 'Pyromania' (Annie's Passive) The gloves heat up and build pressure. Because of the immense heat that builds it easily warps armor with heavy impacts hence (Vi's W) Denting Blows.

And if Vi wants to release the pressure into a concussive force she uses 'Excessive Force' (Vi's E)

Budupops2 votes

too bad riot will delete all thisitem 3070

GenoXx1 votes

VI was eleven when they took her in.

Mundo2 votes

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VI was eleven when they took her in.

No man it says it right here When she was six, a ragtag group of criminals took a shine to the young delinquent and brought her into their fold.

i love legos 1 votes

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junglerboy161 votes

Nope, the only rules are that you can't take one that has "Riot" in it. If nobody else had the user name "Mundo" then it is fair game. Additionally, Tryndamere, Ryze, and Ezreal, for example, were named after the Rioters, not the other way around.

JQKAndrei1 votes

You can't have champion's names, in this case, Mundo's name is Dr. Mundo.

JQKAndrei1 votes

The champ is actually Dr. Mundo

Popstar Ahri1 votes

very intresting

Mundo1 votes

Ekko update.

Mundo1 votes

Updated with New Vi teasers and information on new update. http://i.imgur.com/LFgmXy9.jpg

Does this confirm Vi has the power to use fire just like Annie?

BackFlash211 votes

So assuming that Annie is Vi since Annie as an adult was to powerful they gave her the gauntlets so they would iscolate her powers and took robbers away from VI so that her power wasn't increased even stronger

Nagma1 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Rabid Husky1 votes

i would be for this but this doesn't explain how annie went from south of noxus to north of noxus or why she would abandon her magic power but good connections

Disneylord1 votes

This is stupid, they are both in same timeline and diferent people, they are characters designed from the same company so its normal to look a bit similar although i really cant see anything that makes them even a bit similar from what you posted

YiffMeImAFurry1 votes

Nngg...yeah I can't buy this. There's just too much speculation and not enough concrete evidence. I'd need something like the Yasuo/Riven relationship where Yasuo comments on Wind Slash. That there is pretty good evidence that Riven killed the elder he was supposed to guard as she was there as part of the invasion force and never caught because she fled after witnessing the horrors of war.

All that we have here is extrapolated "hints" that really require you to stretch any sort of evidence given to make it believable.

Who knows maybe Vi might get some lines commenting on Annie or tibbers like as cliche as it is, "That bear...I've seen it before" or something like that.

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