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Change in wards was an indirect nerf to Evelynn

Firearm2012··6 votes·1,014 views

It's not like I'm an Evelynn main or anything, but I was recently playing Evelynn in a Normal and realized something. When they changed the wards for preseason, it nerfed Evelynn really hard. Not only do item 2043 now cost 3/4 of what they used to cost (correct me if I'm wrong), but with the Sleath Wards being completely out of the game (of course other than the item 2045 item 2049 and item 3361) everyone can easily buy item 2043 without even denting their gold income. Like i was in a game, and the opposing mid lane was Syndra, i went mid lane at least 5 to 8 times trying to gank her, but every single time i went to her lane, she had a vision ward somewhere, making it impossible for me to gank her, since unlike almost all other jungles, the only ability Evelynn has to get to get to her target is running at them quickly. I know a lot of people think that Evelynn's passive in general is OP (I'm not sure how many but i've heard it a lot in games when i play or play with Evelynns), but the truth is that the only part of her entire kit that makes her a viable jungler and assassin is her passive.

32 Comments

Kaioko5 votes

There's still a one ward limit and pink wards can still be destroyed. Having a permanent invisible jungler is just flat out annoying Riot won't buff her same reason they won't buff Yorick - not fun to play against.

Firearm20122 votes

Except just a single vis ward bought my each enemy champion in the game, at every back (which won't dent your net worth of gold) will completely make an evelyn useless. I'm not really asking for a buff on evelynn... more like some change in the new warding system.

Kaioko2 votes

You always have three sides to gank from not just one for every lane - the actual lane itself the river or the river bush for top and bottom or either sides for mid. The enemy can only buy ONE pink ward not 3. Secondly you can easily play mind games with your opponent by killing the pink ward and not leaving the lane. Again though an invisible jungler and unpredictable gank isn't fun. Evelyn is slightly on the weaker side and much like Yorick - it will not change.

Firearm20121 votes

The reason Evelynn is on the weak side is because of the new ward system. Riot could easily add back the 25g for vision wards and that would put Evelynn back on the roster for possible junglers. Nothing has to do with anti-fun, you only think that way because you obviously don't like the champion.

Kaioko1 votes

Right I guess she was on the weak side before the warding system and before when her stealth wasn't a passive just for kicks too right? I'm not going to bother responding to anymore of your comments - Evelyn is not going to get anything other than minor tweaks until she's rework into something that's fun to play as and play against.

Firearm20121 votes

SIgh, this guy. I'm not asking for a buff on evelynn they just need to change something about the vision ward cost decrease because that is what is ruining everything about her.

Dwith4 votes

You must be really bad at eve. If anything its a buff to stealth champions its why people complain about rengar. No pinks = no seeing eve. If you are getting caught by normal stealth wards or at all in gold/plat na you are 100% doing something wrong.

Firearm20121 votes

What you said makes no sense at all... evelynn nothing like reneger when it comes to wards. The ward change buffed Rengar in general because the way you ward against HIM is putting NORMAL wards in his jungle, but its different with evelyn if you didn't know. Evelynn isn't countered by wards in her jungle, she doesn't care because if she is going to someone's lane to she is ALWAYS invisible, unlike Rengar, but unlike Rengar, Evelynn can't ignore a pink in a river bush and just sprint into a lane for a gank, she has to be precise about how she does things. Rengar can jump into the lane pretty much from the second the pink wards see him, so they don't effect him much, if at all.

Firearm20121 votes

And you Obviously don't know what I'm talking about because I'm talking about PINK wards, nowhere did i say i was getting caught my normal wards.

james1212342 votes

i read everything you sound retarded still. Who in the fuck is deep warding in gold and plat in early game? fuck these kids dont ward normally in their own lane. 1 person in 100 actually even knows or will actually ward a camp and track the jungler. Hell master tier players dont even track the jungler so you cant feed me that bullshit mate.

Firearm20121 votes

Yeah they can ward the camps, which is one thing with normal wards (i don't understand how people don't understand what I'm trying to say) the problem is that people can too easily buy vision wards now, because if an evelynn gets caught by ONE vision ward she has to stop for 5+ seconds to aa that thing like a derp and the entire gank is ruined. (yes base evelynn aa speed is under 1.0, at least early game when ganking matters the most)

james1212341 votes

what you fail to realize is that if you dont put that ward where eve is doing a camp nobody can see her! And the odds of retards doing that is slim to none which is why your whole rant sounds mentally retarded.

How is having less wards for an invisible champion not benefit it. There were more before so that equals harder? ya digg?

Firearm20121 votes

You don't understand [zombie-brand-facepalm] [slayer-jinx-unamused] [zombie-brand-mindblown] EVELYNN ISNT EFFECTED BY NORMAL WARDS NOR DO I CARE ABOUT THE NORMAL WARDS!!!! IT IS THE PRICE DECREASE ON VISION WARDS THAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE. Jesus.

james1212341 votes

okay how many pink wards can you get per game as a single person? if one ward is keeping you down you suck dick at the game sorry to say but its too true. nobody in low elo places them properly enough anways this isnt ranked 5's [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Firearm20121 votes

It isn't hard to place vision wards, idk what elo you play in but my elo does it just fine. And the difference is if each lane has 1 vis ward, 2 for bot lane (though you only need one really and they usually have only 1) and one random one placed by the enemy jungle, you are stopped wherever you go unless the your teammate in the lane has a cc ability that lasts long enough to allow evelynn to get there. Even then there is too much mobility and the enemy champs will usually be able to jump/dash away before evelynn would ever get there. And even after you kill the vis ward, the enemies in the lane would have already ran off to turret, and maybe to recall, and they can place another vis ward for such a low price there will always be one there.

james1212341 votes

I play at mid diamond where the players actually have decent mechanics and game knowledge yet still cant ward to save their lives. I also play eve on my gold/plat smurf and stomp everyone because nobody in low elo knows how to ward or to even buy them. Just because something is easy doesnt mean people do it. But keep using counter logic that will go far [zombie-brand-facepalm]

also ive never seen ever in my life a low elo solo que game where more than 2 players actually bought a pink ward.

Firearm20121 votes

Yeah, i looked up James121234, you have 0 ranked games. So tell me how this is another one of your "smurfs"

james1212341 votes

i mean i add every single person that thinks they are wise like you to prove other wise. just did. 70% win rates on my main 2 champs in diamond just like I said ;)

Firearm20121 votes

Even though you're diamond, it doesn't mean what you are saying is right in any way lmao

james1212341 votes

You are right but what it does en tale is that I know how to climb the ladder more succesfully than you do while being a jungle main. Higher rank giving you facts as a main of the role. Meanwhile lower rank mains a totally different role and has only played 3 games of said champ in normals is arguing.... wat.

Firearm20121 votes

Pretty much every thing you have said as a response has had nothing to do with what the post was about in the first place.

james1212343 votes

you dont even main jungle, and randomly play eve in normals.. You are the type of people that spread shit posts. oh 3 games on eve when I main support and am not even playing ranked? I know everything about eve now!

Firearm20121 votes

Except You obviously didn't read anything that i posted because everything is true. So how about you stop complaining and read, or just don't come to boards at all.

Vexful3 votes

Wait wait wait wait...............you're telling me that mid lane was hard to gank because of a pink ward? Instead of destroying it, you can literally leave it alone and choose 1 of the 5 other spots to gank from since they WONT have a pink ward due to the fact that everyone can only personally place 1. As for outer lanes, if they deep ward the river, just lane gank. Walk up from your side, let your laner know to push, stay invis in the bush, then surprise! I'm not seeing the issue. If her jungler places a pink in one mid lane river bush and she does the other, then you have a hard ish time but can still run up from raptors.

VictoryDance962 votes

It is for this very reason that I only play mid Evelynn as it is more viable.

NoPaxt1 votes

item 3364 problem solved...

Firearm20121 votes

What problem does that solve? You still have to kill the wards that will be replaced with their next back.

NoPaxt1 votes

item 3364 can be recast...

Firearm20121 votes

The red trinket doesn't have anything to do with what I'm talking about...

NoPaxt1 votes

You don't even have to clear the wards, just activate item 3364 gank and leave...

hi im minty1 votes

Everything in this game is a nerf to Evelynn.

Also, pinks aren't a problem for evelynn in silver elo because NOBODY WARDS!

Firearm20121 votes

If only i was in silver, damn me!!1!1!

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