Zed... Soooo not an okay champion right now.

Firearm2012·Jan 9, 2016·30 votes·1,849 views

The only counterplay to zed . There is none for ad, people say its but it really isn't. "Zed relies on his ult" blah blah blah, no he doesn't. His passive and abilities that do a shit ton of damage is what he relies on. Like i don't give a shit if you don't nerf his freaking ult but nerf his passive and his freaking abilities damage, like he should NOT be able to, after getting one kill, and getting level 6, be able to instantly kill me as ekko. Not when I'm full health at least, riot i realize u think he is balanced but look again, using your eyes this time.

57 Comments

OperationDEEZ1Jan 9, 201614 votes

Well I mean, Zed has to be REALLY fed to 1-shot 100-0 without relying on ult damage. Much moreso than other assassins.

Magus PolarisJan 9, 20165 votes

Everybody has to be REALLY fed to 1-shot 100-0 targets without ulting. Which is why nobody all-ins someone at 100% health. That's not a counter-point to anything.

OperationDEEZ1Jan 9, 20161 votes

"Well I mean, Zed has to be REALLY fed to 1-shot 100-0 without relying on ult damage. Much moreso than other assassins." lrn2reed

OperationDEEZ1Jan 9, 20161 votes

God damn, look at me, I'm actually DEFENDING Zed.

Magus PolarisJan 16, 20161 votes

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"Well I mean, Zed has to be REALLY fed to 1-shot 100-0 without relying on ult damage. Much moreso than other assassins." lrn2reed

Learn to read yourself; You ignored what I wrote.

There are two points in there. I was addressing the first, which is all "Ah jeez guys, Zed's got problems too, you know." to weakly reframe the discussion, is not any different from all the other champions with ult, so it fails utterly in its goal.

The second part, which I wasn't addressing and didn't need to address is blatantly false. For example: Akali.

Handin Out NapsJan 9, 20161 votes

You need to take what he is saying into context. Sure everyone has to be really fed to kill someone without ulting, but Zeds ult has a lot of counterplay. The op said Zed doesn't require his ult to kill carries, which is a straight up lie.

Magus PolarisJan 16, 20161 votes

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You need to take what he is saying into context. Sure everyone has to be really fed to kill someone without ulting, but Zeds ult has a lot of counterplay. The op said Zed doesn't require his ult to kill carries, which is a straight up lie.

I did consider the context; the point is the comment and the context he created are both wrong. All champions with damaging ults have a large portion of their power budget tied up in their ults; that's how an ult works.

" The op said Zed doesn't require his ult to kill carries, which is a straight up lie." Now that's just simply not true. I do it all the time, it's not that hard.

weeaboomerJan 9, 20168 votes

Meanwhile your bs ult that gets you out of any situation didn't manage to counter his?

BoulderoxJan 9, 20167 votes

problem with zed Thunderlords is a wet dream for him, building raw AD is his way to go.... Magic damage based on AD...( http://pre05.deviantart.net/ce84/th/pre/i/2013/105/f/7/genius_in_hd_by_lemmino-d61sxub.png ) Ult enhances thunderlord damage Ap items are significantly more expensive item 3157 should be enough evidence with 500 more gold (3500 total)to counter than normal, making ad laners have the better chance with only 1300 for a item 3140 but still has wasted stats vs zed.... In order to survive zed you must invest in worthless stats early and have to be behind because of it, very few champs do this in ANY form comparable to ZED. Passive procs on minions for some stupid reason???? He was UBER buffed in 5.23 for some reason... w range increased and minimum range reduced (farther and closer if you want) and his ult went from 20/35/50%, and 30/40/50% bonus damage so he is stronger earlier. CAN be ungankable because they decide to never use there w unless ganked and just farm with q and passive until 6.... Assassins as a whole were given an entire tier 2 mastery for there leisure, (kind of curious how http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/4/44/Double-Edged_Sword_mastery_S4.png/revision/latest?cb=20140220112024 and http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/8/86/Weapon_Expertise_mastery_s2.png/revision/latest?cb=20121215070906 interact as 3% increased damage and 1.5% increased damage on top of that??? multiplicative or addative? )

The problem with zed is the mid laner is FORCED to build items to SOLEY counter zed just to survive him, item 3157 and item 3140 , with summoner 3 , or gg... and the real kicker.... you can survive him? well guess what he can do VERY EFFECTIVELY? ROAM Because your adc shouldn't rush and , with , so he just feeds off any other lane that your not in, ping, ward, roam yourself, but he will get kills some how, and eventually be able to severely hurt you, and come back before it is usable again and finish the job...

If there needs to be more counter play, then item 3157 and item 3140 at LEAST needs to have shorter CD's because late game when his ult is less than 80 sec because CDR is magically thrown in there, and EVEN without it, it is 80 sec ult cd vs items 90 sec CD. For someone who is "countered" by these items, he scales past them in the end regardless. Strong early, VERY strong mid, and decent late game. He doesn't seem to have a weak point.... But Azir couldn't have the same ideology without nerf city >_> I just find it ironic and hypocritical.

P.S. NEW AD ITEM = another zed ult.... on top of zed ult >_>

AbusingMyRightsJan 9, 20161 votes

don't forget item 3026

BoulderoxJan 9, 20164 votes

true but still wasted stats on an ap champ or even ad for that matter as it offers nothing but a chance to survive, and if we learned anything from Aatrox passive, is in a teamfight if it procs, you are probably going to die regardless.... due to you being left behind.

AbusingMyRightsJan 9, 20162 votes

Check my match history where i played lucian and bought item 3139 item 3026 and i was still dying to the 30 kill zed so i sold my armor pen item to buy item 3157 which i would say is wasted stats on an adc. We managed to drag the game out to 60 minutes and since he was focusing me with all his burst the damage went to waste and my team cleaned him up for the shutdown, we got baron and won the game. You don't always need to have efficient stats to win the game. Situational item purchases are always better than sticking to a cookie cutter build as every game is different so you may need different things to win. (in my opinion of course)

BoulderoxJan 9, 20163 votes

congratz on the win i must say. But the problem with that is zed being not smart..... if he was focusing you all the time, which he should tbh. He should have known by now that focusing you led to his ult being cleansed or you come back.

The irony is that lucian has ap ratios that are resepectable with his w and even ult scaling, so they were not entirely wasted stats i will say. Yes you are true that optimal efficiency isn't a must, but after zed jumped you and failed it was all your team needed to succeed. Wow Heimerdinger LeeSin Karma Illaoi , that is a VERY strong teamfight comp, which they lacked, and without zed to kill, they couldn't do anything i assume.

The classic Azir syndrome, one champ gets fed but lose when they die because there team isn't strong on there own :/

But it also goes to show you, EVEN with item 3026 & item 3139 he was still murdering you, but when you have EVERY item that "counters" zed ult you and your team were able to shut him down and win.

You see the problem with that don't you????? You won yes, but look at the lengths you had to go to just to survive zed.... I haven't seen any champ that does this kind of thing like zed does.... forcing a champ to build entirely to survive 1 ability...

AbusingMyRightsJan 9, 20162 votes

You are right don't get me wrong. The only reason i needed to go to those lengths is he was so far ahead. If it were even I feel like only one of them would of been necessary to have the same effect. That Zed was the best player i probably have ever played against and he certainly got an honorable opponent out of me. He started like 15-0 in lane and i started 7-0 then he shut me down, HARD. I was lucky to get a shut down on him at 24-0 and that was the only chance we had to get in the game. I feel like it was the players skill and not neccasarily the champion that was all the problem. I do however feel that zed has a lot of options compared to most.

BoulderoxJan 9, 20162 votes

your are right in most respects to that. However Zed in this case, has more utility than say Talon . Both have negligable skill floor, but zed has a higher skill ceiling. Yes he played well, but that is usually dedicated mains that can perform this way and live, vs say a talon, who can get in but escaping after engage is difficult, vs zeds ult in and out scenario he has built in.

RyzeReworkJan 9, 20161 votes

You can't say as an excuse well he can roam and get fed off another lane ANY CHAMPION CAN a fucking aniva can roam bottom and get a double I mean it doesn't matter who u are you can roam... roam is not good reason why a champions strong. If an enemy zed is roaming and gets fed off another lane that's not the champion thats ur lane not listening to mia pings or looking at the Map. Ad assassians still have the same weakness as they did a month ago be for people played them. No good ad items to buy. Last whisper sucks ghostblade got nerfed and btork sucks that's 3 items mainly built on zed

BoulderoxJan 9, 20161 votes

You can actually, because zed has more tools he can use to get in and out of problems and situations while roaming, vs an anivia who isn't mobile, and can be run down easier than zed with his shadow. Yes every laner can roam, but when do you see a Xerath roam, roam? they don't have the safety a zed has while roaming to ensure they are safe without a flash. Ad items were nerfed huh? then why is it that ghostblade is still rushed by Talon and Zed , because it still is essential to the chase aspect. Last whisper is gone, but as stated thunderlords replaces that damage as you bought armor pen to get through the laners armor if they build it, where now thunderlords goes past it with magic damage. And that is not true, when zed had the change to his AA i believe, they pros found that going damage is better and more effective than Attack speed.

RyzeReworkJan 9, 20161 votes

xearth range isnt safe? brand ult walk away isnt safe? zed has to psychically be there in ur face same for talon but i mean u can ult a minion to hit somone with a brand ult and xearth u can ult from dragon pit to botlane

BoulderoxJan 9, 20162 votes

I was not saying anything pertaining to lane, I specifically was targeting roaming, as if zed can't kill his mid laner for some unknown reason, roaming is his next big option for him to get fed. I was saying how Xerath and comparatively is not as safe as say a Zed or Talon as roaming laners. Any mid laner can roam, but there are some that just can't roam as effectively as other mid laners, immobile mages are that such case. Xerath is a unique case but his "roam" is an long CD ult, vs assassins usually low CD ult that gives them a plethora of positives, but little negatives. I just don't how you get there range safety from "they don't have the safety a zed has while roaming" when i am targetting there mobility ONLY.

RyzeReworkJan 10, 20161 votes

mobility only is one thing but mages have utility xearth and brand both have a 2 second stun and range mobility doesnt mean shit if u get cced or if u walk into a brush that has somone waiting for you range IS saftey

im tiltJan 9, 20165 votes

I mean, if you lose to zed as ekko we already know you suck and everything you say is invalid

RyzeReworkJan 9, 20161 votes

I know right its like darius losing to yasuo you have to try to lose that

Only Play DariusJan 9, 20161 votes

Lmao I love seeing that matchup

shyieJan 9, 20164 votes

I saw your Ekko game and I saw no armor items, other than Zhonya's. 50 armor will block 50 AD, so obviously he'll still do crazy damage. Although it may not be effective, building a RoA or even a Frozen Heart may not be bad if you instantly die to this Zed.

MohawkBirdJan 9, 20161 votes

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charcharmunroJan 9, 20161 votes

Considering you're only untargetable for a really rather short time, it's quite tricky.

RyzeReworkJan 9, 20161 votes

if you ult before zeds ult lands then it will cancle it just like if u use fizz e in mid zed ult it wont hit fizz but other then that you also have a sheild and stun thats pretty high ap ratio and a slow which will kill zed after he uses his shadows

RogueWillJan 9, 20163 votes

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I don't see how Ekko would be a bad matchup for Zed. Timing ult right will destroy Zed's damage. I'm pretty sure he can dodge Zed's ult by using his own, right?

If not than I am an idiot.

He can dodge the damage by timing his ult but will require you know the Zed ult, CD since the mark will have to proc while you are doing your animation for you to dodge it. is simplier just ult before zed can apply the damage after puttign the mark on you, is not a skillshot so is only based on reflexes

CaptnJakSparrowJan 9, 201622 votes

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I saw your Ekko game and I saw no armor items, other than Zhonya's. 50 armor will block 50 AD, so obviously he'll still do crazy damage. Although it may not be effective, building a RoA or even a Frozen Heart may not be bad if you instantly die to this Zed.

That's not how armor works.. .......

moonbornJan 9, 20164 votes

Zed and Fizz are two most annoying champions to play against. The mobility in this game is something that is very difficult to balance

SeenanJan 9, 20161 votes

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Zed and Fizz are two most annoying champions to play against. The mobility in this game is something that is very difficult to balance

Fizz is not hard to fix. E -> not affected by cdr. Maybe tone his AP ratio on ult down.

Zed...Many ways to possibly fix him or at least lessen his pickrate...which is kind of the same thing to most people.

Silents429Jan 9, 20164 votes

Yes, farm those free upvotes.

You have added so much depth to the Zed threads.

Only Play DariusJan 9, 20163 votes

More QQ, guess everyone's gotta claim their spot in the circlejerk ring

BTW Ekko counters Zed so you are clearly doing something wrong (dare I say you might just be a terrible player)

Firearm2012Jan 10, 20161 votes

Yeah, because a bronze can call someone in plat a terrible player.

Only Play DariusJan 10, 20161 votes

"Plat"

Firearm2012Jan 11, 20161 votes

If you don't believe me you can look me up, just like I did with you, but you're in bronze so i wouldn't expect you to think of something like that by yourself

BonipherusJan 9, 20162 votes

I got one shot by zed as Ezreal with him only needing the ult as a gap closer. He only had a serrated dirk, boots, a ghostblade, and thunderlords. This was during poro king and I had 2 teammates close by and another not too far away.

GodSupport KatieJan 9, 20161 votes

Well thats what happens when you have only 50 something armor as ezreal while zed has 50 armor pen.

BonipherusJan 9, 20163 votes

Well that's what happens when marksmen don't get an item meant to help counter ad assassins. You only have full tank items to help against them.

GodSupport KatieJan 9, 20162 votes

An assassins job is to kill YOU the squishy and get out safely. An item to counter them for marksmen would defeat the purpose of assassins in the first place. You want to know how to effectively stop zed or any assassin? stick with your team and more often than not they will fail to kill you.

SpoofghoulJan 9, 20162 votes

item 3139

Handin Out NapsJan 9, 20162 votes

Not sure if this thread is troll or...

xxxMadLionxxxJan 9, 20162 votes

I see your point I for one can saw I went up against a Zed pre lvl six as Ekko and was shocked at the results. I know how Zed works, So I waited for him to miss his shadow Q combo and I went in with my E Q combo and was able to get my passive off along with both parts of my Q, I did not stun him but was able to get my shield. I also ignited him

Zed was able to kill me with just his auto attacks and his ignite. His Q came up back just when I was about to land my final AA and he killed me. All it took was his AA, ignite and a clutch Q while I landed almost my entire kit was still lost.

SpoofghoulJan 9, 20162 votes

Yea thats what ad assasins do they have a 1.0 scaling on their auto attacks.

Just think diana passive x3 = every ad assasin ever

Only Play DariusJan 9, 20161 votes

Last I checked AD assassins didn't have death cap

They also don't have an anti-fuck up item. (Hourglass)

Matter of fact, aside from ghost blade, AD assassins don't have any items at all! They either have to put up with bruiser items like Hydra and Cleaver, or dip into ADC items like IE and Bloodthirster

RyzeReworkJan 9, 20161 votes

Lol you have to w e get the speed up from ur passive and run away a zed is not going to 1v1 you if he misses all his skills unless ur sitting in his minions amd cancleing your auto attacks

Handin Out NapsJan 9, 20161 votes

I get the feeling that you jumped into his minions.

ADepressedLeonaJan 9, 20162 votes

You're forced to play by Zed's rules while Zed does whatever he wants.

Spizzle9000Jan 9, 20161 votes

If you got 100-0d by a Zed with one kill, either he's really good, or you're bad. He's an early game champion, yeah his early game is meant to be oppressive.

Play safe early.

Avoid shadow.

Dodge shurikens.

It's that simple. If you can just survive laning without giving Zed kills, he's borderline useless late game.

MartyrofsandJan 10, 20161 votes

I remember the last time I played Zed...enemy Cait bought a QSS to counter my ult, I ulted her anyway to close the gap and watched her die to a Q+E+AA+ignite. Remember thinking "yeah that's fair" in the most sarcastic way possible.

Frankly assassin damage as a whole is way to freaking high, always has been ever since they had their biggest time in the sun back in S3. No champ should insta-gib a single target just by pressing all the buttons in their kit, it makes zero sense and is by far the most idiotic design I've ever seen in a game like this.