Regarding mobility creep QQ and GnB balance threads

Smegma123·9/23/2015, 1:15:07 PM·7 votes·904 views

Edit : To be clear, I'm not asking to have flash removed. Today, it's not a viable option any more. But back in 2011, when they had this poll (can't remember exactly when it was) - it was a viable option, had been extensively tested by Riot and could have greatly(and positively) affected the direction of game balance and champion releases.

We always QQ about mobility creep in this game. But do you know why it started? The real root of the problem lies withing the existence of flash as a summoner spell. This is THE MOST toxic thing in the game.

4 years(I think) ago, when the game was much smaller, Riot actually proposed to remove flash from the game and let US, the community decide. A poll was put up, the answer was overwhelmingly NO, WE WANT FLASH.

Riot obviously understood the implications (longterm) of keeping such a toxic spell in the game. We did not. All we cared about was our next game, and if we didn't have flash, we would die.

As a result, the MOST TOXIC spell EVER was kept in the game and dictated the increase of mobility creep for years to come. By the way, I was one of the 12% or something(don't really remember the number, couldn't have been more than 15% though) that voted to remove flash. Riot had extensively tested no-flash games, and claimed that the games were much more fun and fights were much more dynamic.

We always QQ about Riot not doing a good job regards balance. We always QQ about them not listening to our opinions. But this experiment involving the community which effectively ruined the direction of the game was a very clear indication that the community should not be relied upon for any kind of balance opinion. I am sure Riot takes into account the opinions of high-level players who both understand the mechanics of this game as well as the principles of game design, and even one of these players is worth more than an infinite number of low-elo players like myself. The truth is they have the best knowledge, best resources and best understanding to create a game that is truly enjoyable.

It's also worth noting that Riot has to balance across various metas. It's not just one server they have to take care of. Different metas have different powerpicks across different divisions. They have to take into account all of that.

13 Comments

Sakura Mirage9/23/2015, 1:34:53 PM7 votes

I think removing flash would just promote mobility more in my opinion.

Lovelle9/23/2015, 2:30:28 PM2 votes

Riot is never going to remove Flash.

What they could do is buff Cleanse and Ghost, so people have a reason to take these over Flash.

kaykalos9/23/2015, 2:28:41 PM2 votes

olaf approve this change xD

luckmallory9/23/2015, 4:57:50 PM1 votes

Good luck playing an ADC in today's game without flash

Cowgirl Ed9/23/2015, 5:06:04 PM1 votes

If they won't remove flash, buff the other spells tired of this retarded shit that we're literally forced to take

HentRex9/23/2015, 1:19:29 PM1 votes

Amen, brother.

Mordepool9/23/2015, 5:40:25 PM1 votes

Solution. Limit flash to immobile mages. Balanced

Thymetime9/23/2015, 3:42:24 PM1 votes

Flash being removed would be hard to get used to, but I would support the removal of it. I only see about 1/20 people pick something over Flash.

Smefanye9/23/2015, 3:47:37 PM1 votes

Removing flash would be interesting but I feel they would have to give immobile champions some compensation as it's their only real escape/repositioning tool. It could also gives champs who have pseudo flashes like LeBlanc a big edge since if the opponent doesn't have one as well, how would they follow them over a wall?