Chronobreak (R) Heal reduced to 10% of damage taken over last 4 seconds from 20% AP ratio on heal increased 12% per 100 AP up from 6.6% per 100 AP
Still nothing to reduce his hilarious damage, but that's at least a good nerf that doesn't hurt AP Ekko.
THE RlVER KlNG30 votesTired of them buffing AP Ekko whenever they nerf Tank. Pretty soon AP Ekko will be just as bad, if it isn't already. He's going to be healing for like 50-60% of damage taken with enough AP.
GULAG 4 U4 votesAt least you can cc his ass down unlike tank ekko who doesn't give a shit about cc
THE RlVER KlNG2 votesTrue, I suppose, but he deletes people so fast and then zooms away at the speed of light. The idea of a 'hit-and-run utility assassin' is just such a flawed concept to me. It's like saying tank ADC and we saw how much trouble Graves caused.
Voluug134 votesHe still cant delete people unless you stay unmoving and have 0 base MR.
And CC actually kills him since his Ult cant be used while CC'ed and he is squishy. The real reason why Tankko doesnt die is because he can live through CC to wait for his ult or short CDs to get out or kill you.
Sona x Rubick2 voteshe need 1 aa or 2 to kill someone after doing E+Q+passive.
THE RlVER KlNG1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sona x Rubick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAuUruL4,comment-id=00060000000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-26T01:06:50.432+0000)
he need 1 aa or 2 to kill someone after doing E+Q+passive.
Ouch, yeah, 1-2 autos are really hard to get off, especially when they are slowed for 60% and you have 80% bonus movement speed.
Sona x Rubick2 votesYes it is when you're around 5 people and have a trash attack speed.
THE RlVER KlNG1 votesTell that to Tahm, or Naut, or Morde, and all the immobile melees who don't have reliable ways to get onto a target and slow them until they die like Ekko can.
Sona x Rubick2 votesyes, the 3 big tank that have 4k hp +shields ok.
THE RlVER KlNG1 votesShort duration shields that don't scale with 150% AP or stun everyone around them......
Sona x Rubick2 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAuUruL4,comment-id=0006000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-26T20:00:18.326+0000)
Short duration
indeed ekko has a short duration shield, and don't forget that he doesn't get the shield if you engage first. if he engages, then he can wait the 3 seconds to pop, not if the enemy team engage first because that's 3 seconds without the enemy assassin/carry/skirmisher w/e
THE RlVER KlNG1 votesImplying Ekko can't cast W on himself. Regardless, mobility and multiple slows will help you stay on a target much more than a large shield will, which is the point I was trying to make.
Sona x Rubick1 votesit doesn't matter if he casts it on himself or not, it's 3 sec delay
and what i was trying to tell you is that without all what you listed, he can't stick to a target and finish it with his W passive, and by the way did you every play AP ekko? because one time in those 3 months i had one and he almost got oneshot by the enemy caitlyn with her passive+crit.
THE RlVER KlNG1 votesMust be a bunch of Ekko mains who think AP Ekko is weak downvoting me, totally ignoring basic logic.
Wow, one time in 3 months one AP Ekko (one that probably fed his ass off in the laning phase and had no armor) took a lot of damage from Caitlyn. Every carry in the game gets chunked by crits.
aqours fanboy6 votesPeople...people think he can DELETE?
You'd have to be absolutely garbage at kiting and have no MR.
He can take a big chunk, yes, but in order to FINISH you he has to get to you.
Lovelle1 votesMost of the roster does not have the tools to kite Ekko without help from 2-3 allies. He doesn't instagib, but instead puts his target in situations where they can't fight back. That's not even taking his ult into account.
Dengeden3 votesHis ult can't be used to chase you down for obvious reasons (unless you're forced to run towards the enemy base for some reason). Otherwise... he's a melee champion, red buff or rylai's and gg. If he goes full AP, it's unlikely he can afford to hit a tank for long.
Lovelle1 votesI rarely ever see it work that way. Assuming equal skill level, you have to have mobility or you will lose to him after laning phase, it's that simple. Also, for how much he offers, his early game isn't even bad.
Dengeden1 votesBeing melee is a huge detriment, particularly for mid laners since they're teamfight and waveclear oriented. When you take that into account, his early game is indeed bad for "how much he offers".
aqours fanboy1 votesIt's amazing how in 2016 we just complain about champs instead of discovering counters, lol.
aqours fanboy1 votesWhat I mean is that people bitch so damn much about his Q when if you get close to him YOUR GOING TO GET HIT.
If you engage Ekko with no intention of CCing him at all then you are going to get destroyed.
Kiting Ekko is not hard at all, just always be moving (DUH), when the Q hits you, sidestep, and when he E's, well have something ready for him when he gets to you.
RocketRelm11 votesTo be fair this isn't even a straight buff to AP Ekko. Late game yes, but before he gets 180 ish AP it's actually a net nerf to even the AP build, which doesn't come along until 2 items in. Relevant for lvl 6 stuff.
THE RlVER KlNG2 votesImplying his early game is bad, when he enjoys 3 slows, massive poke, and a dash? Assassins shouldn't heal based on a percentage of damage taken anyways; not even a tank should have that steroid. The closest thing I can think of is Tahm and it is a percent of a percent and only works over time out of combat, and also denies him his sole defensive steroid - his shield. Regardless, it basically encourages Ekko to do whatever he wants and then press his get out of jail free card.
Vellich0r2 votesJust weighing in on this. If you are using your ult to escape as AP Ekko, especially late game, then you are going to have a bad time. It's only really good as an escape if you are tank Ekko as AP Ekko kinda relies on it for damage, and if he ever wants to get a good W off in a fight, but AP Ekko has really mediocre damage in a fight with more than 3 people on each side as he has immense difficulty bursting anything since most of his damage relies on passive procs.
Cosmic Warper4 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAuUruL4,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2016-08-25T23:44:22.981+0000)
Implying his early game is bad, when he enjoys 3 slows, massive poke, and a dash? Assassins shouldn't heal based on a percentage of damage taken anyways; not even a tank should have that steroid. The closest thing I can think of is Tahm and it is a percent of a percent and only works over time out of combat, and also denies him his sole defensive steroid - his shield. Regardless, it basically encourages Ekko to do whatever he wants and then press his get out of jail free card.
Massive poke? What poke lmao. Landing Q isn't going to happen against a competent player unless you're on their face, and that isn't poke. Early game isn't decided on utility, it's decided on base damage and trade potential. Ekko is weak in both attributes early on
Lovelle3 votesOnly an Ekko player could think his early game is weak. Either that, or you play some other mobile/flashy champ.
Zephyrous X2 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAuUruL4,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2016-08-25T23:44:22.981+0000)
Implying his early game is bad, when he enjoys 3 slows, massive poke, and a dash? Assassins shouldn't heal based on a percentage of damage taken anyways; not even a tank should have that steroid. The closest thing I can think of is Tahm and it is a percent of a percent and only works over time out of combat, and also denies him his sole defensive steroid - his shield. Regardless, it basically encourages Ekko to do whatever he wants and then press his get out of jail free card.
massive poke? his q is short range moves slowly and is primarily a tool for last hitting against champions with actual poke
Shinjusuke5 votesThey're not "buffing" AP Ekko, they're trying to maintain the status quo for AP Ekko.
Nerfing the intended playstyle of the champion that doesn't have problems because a fringe build that should never have been viable in the first place is breaking the kit is stupid.
Riot has done that plenty of times before (nerfing a champion as a whole because of a stupid playstyle that's broken), and it always ruins the champion. It's stupid and shortsighted.
Not liking a champion that's perfectly fine isn't a reason to dumpster them.
THE RlVER KlNG1 votesAP Ekko is in a strong spot right now and Riot continuing to buff it whilst nerfing all the wrong things will only lead to AP Ekko becoming his overbearing build again. His AP ratios have been rising and rising and rising. Just because one build is oppressive doesn't mean the intended one doesn't share the same problems that the champion as a whole possesses - in this case a mobile slow machine with good damage and a reset. There is no need to continue to buff AP Ekko, as he has all the problems of a tank or Triforce Ekko but trading raw stats for ludicrous damage.
Joquan2 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAuUruL4,comment-id=000600020000,timestamp=2016-08-26T12:58:36.286+0000)
AP Ekko is in a strong spot right now
http://champion.gg/champion/Ekko/Middle Barely below 50% winrate is strong?
THE RlVER KlNG2 votes49.98% is 50%. That's great for a champion as banned and picked as often as Ekko is, and one as unreliable and skill-based as he is said to be.
Joquan2 votesa 4.8% pickrate mid with his banrate mainly coming from top ekko, which is 9.8%? Sorry dude but i'm not going to keep discussing you with this, Ap ekko is not strong. If you can't see that i'm going to give up.
Troll for Trump2 votesNeverforget release Ap Ekko
THE RlVER KlNG1 votesYou mean when his passive was a 3 second 80% slow, his Q did 120 damage at level one, his stun was 2.25 seconds and his shield was 330 +80% AP, his ult cost no mana, and healed way more?
Never forget.
KingKong23501 votesStop, you are Chronobreaking my PTSD and they nerfed the heal ratio on it. Its hurting to remember so much more
yoshi279019 votesThey should hit his passive, that's his real problem. Or atleast his Q.
Squidward Dab5 votesThe best thing they can do for his passive is to either remove the slow but keep the ms bonus or vice versa because when you have both a huge slow and ms bonus with like 50 other slows unless the enemy has numerous disengages/ dashes you're never gonna get the chance to escape
Dominick Destine14 votesFor what reason do they always BUFF ekko alongside nerfs?
Just give him some straight nerfs ffs.
TFBaam8 votesbecause they dont want to kill ekko because someone found a better way for him to be built. that way was unhealthy, (tank ekko is) and so they try to nerf tank ekko, which overall nerfs the champion, and again, thats not their objective. so they buff ap ekko to compensate.
The Yetii Rider16 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAuUruL4,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-08-25T21:13:42.692+0000)
For what reason do they always BUFF ekko alongside nerfs?
Just give him some straight nerfs ffs.
Because people don't play AP Ekko.
Popppyseed3 votesOh people do after all the buffs hes already recieved to his AP ratios.
Ahristocats9 votesno they don't, they play him with triforce right now
XeroKimo3 votesI disagree, all I ever play is AP ekko, don't disregard us ap ekko mains out there.
UrPalAl5 votesThey don't, the most popular build is by far triforce. Check the numbers yourself.
HaloDragonX4 votesBecause his base damage makes him unplayable early game.
President Swa1n6 votesBecause a) AP Ekko needs buffs IMO and b) they're encouraging people to play Ekko the way they intended him to be played.
DarkRitual10 votesBefore in another thread, a Riot member stated they aren't worried about the ult heal since Tank Ekko doesn't really care as much about it. Left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing?
TFBaam1 votesand in another thread, they have said that 1 riot member doesnt represent the whole company.
DarkRitual7 votesAlso like 30 threads where they admit their communication is bad and they are going to fix it.
kasfas4 votesHi, yea that was my thread. Seems to have done something after all.
Edit: also, my right hand is very predictable. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/434/841/3ab.jpg
