if talon instakilling me as jhin isn't good, then there isn't any SINGLE REASON on earth, on jupiter, on Io, on the whole universe for a DPS adc that can kill tanks to instakill me from stealth.
Good fucking job
Tempesttwo15 votesPls i want to actually be able to play my favorite champ
Sona x Rubick37 votesyou can play your favorite champ, but your favorite adc shouldn't be a better assassin. choose one of the 2.
Tempesttwo25 votesThat's what I'm saying shes way too good at everything right now, I only got interest in Vayne because I loved the challenge and the playmaking potential.
I Q6 votesWhy are you getting downvotes?
You are saying she needs to be nerfed. Why are they downvoting?
Marshbouy21 votesbecause this place is full of crybabies who downvote other people for liking a champion they don't like.
I talked with a dude about the changes to nidalee in the jungle update and even my "have a nice night dude" got downvoted to -2
Ralanr6 votesYeah. My assassin thread has a bunch of downvoted on posts arguing for the reworks.
Marshbouy6 votesTrying to use a brain here is pointless. Either you get a guy who thinks he is an intellectual like Mr.fawkinsometheingorother or an idiot that just makes you run in circles
GULAG 4 U5 votesSame. Made a thread saying "Stop saying the assassin rework is a failure" because the content just came out 2 days ago and got downvoted.
dominusx1 votespeople downvote me for saying annie has no mechanical counterplay apart flash.. and the next to it is getting 3 big mr items.. You can tell how retarded they are. unless ofc they want everyone building banshee visage and maw every game vs her
New Tool Album1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dont Focus Vayne,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3M8uQ22f,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-11-11T19:57:40.421+0000)
That's what I'm saying shes way too good at everything right now, I only got interest in Vayne because I loved the challenge and the playmaking potential.
she is a late game moster, when an adc can bust you down faster than an assasin, something is VERY wrong
k911871 votesHow is something wrong when a marksman that was designed as an assassin-esque skirmisher is fulfilling that playstyle?
Don't dare say it's because 
and 
, because she's always had that kind of burst with those items. It got a little stronger with the AD ratio on her tumble being buffed, and meta sheep finally realizing that BoTRK is a terrible item right now and it shouldn't be forced on Vayne.
Sahn Uzal1 votesWe need more people like you. I respect it when people can look at their main and be non-biased.
Aptest7 votesface it, nobody likes your champion choice. not your team. not your support. not the enemy team. not the enemy ADC. not the enemy support. ...
and we all are hoping, also not RIOT.
[slayer-jinx-wink]
MunchCrunchLunch14 votesnerf the batwoman
Astôlfo9 votesRiot Games. Nerfing the ranged-carry class.
Pick one.
Zielmann6 votesUpvoted for Io
Spice POWAH4 votesNo, see, dealing 9999 damage with one auto is the definition if damage per second! 1 auto < second a bajillion damage per second! clearly vayne is doing her job as dps perfectly.
...fo real tho, if I can carry as first time vayne with the crit build, something's wrong.
GayFluffyUnicorn3 votesIt isn't even vayne. Any adc who gets atleast one or two kills in botlane will snowball out of control and 1v1 any champ except maybe syndra or veigar who can actually kill them faster because riot thought its a good idea to give them lategame crit scaling with two items.
Meritas4 votesThey better do, I need to them to free up one of my bans.
Calabok3 votesdo not despair. Nerfs will come to that ugly wench
Baron Perenolde3 votesShe'll lose 1 AD and .001 attack speed, with a 50% mana cost reduction to her ult at all ranks to compensate.
AkabaneKun2 votesI guess nerfing the stealth by 00.1 sec is too much work.
Spoofghoul18 votesor just remove the stealth
Bladerunner77778 votes?
What?
Why are people even upvoting this?
Vayne's ultimate only does like 3 things, 2 of which are passive changes. The stealth is the only interesting thing about her ult
I'm defending Vayne and I don't even like her (mostly because she thwarts my overpowered Ranked 3s strats eheheh)
Ahristocats16 votes+70 AD stealth each 1 second bonus ms
replace stealth with something else.
Terchio5 votesThat or the AD. Riot said they hated free flat AD on champions a while back, and they kept their promise for a few things, like the Poppy and Fiora reworks. And yet, arguably the strongest one is still there.
Tik1151 votesSwap the AD for X% Lethality
Now she shreds tanks hard late game(What shes designed for) But won't gain a huge edge on squishies with a weaker Early- Mid game (The part where Vayne is meant to be very weak)
k911872 votesDuskblade isn't good on her, all it can be used as is a 1 item power spike, then it becomes irrelevant to other options on her.
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesRewarding her repositioning to stay safe is def not irrelevant......
k911871 votesYou're rewarded more by building zeal item > ie, duskblade is awful on her if you look anywhere past 20 minutes.
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesStill adds minimum 300 damage per ulti while influncing safety.
Other items lose out if you have to give up dps for safety, not this one. Not to mention actually reliable and you can still build normally.
k911871 votesIt doesn't add a minimum of 600 damage ....
You have to sit in your stealth for the full 1 second duration to receive the buff, which in that time you are giving up valuable damage output.
It only adds a small amount of true damage to your attack, which needless to say you already have in your kit. You give up an extra 20% crit and 50% crit damage + small ad for a 1 item powerspike that is relatively bad past 20 minutes.
It also has nothing to do with safety, in fact it encourages you to spam your tumble instead of using it intelligently to re-position or dodge an important skillshot, which is detrimental to your safety as a squishy adc.
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesIt was suppose to say 300 used number pad and fat fingered.
You reposition about 3-4 times minimally during several ulti's, not seeing that unreliably.
Still not seeing seeing an issue of putting it in build and unlike the other items that "vayne will abuse" this one actually gives great stuff to use on vayne and provides good damage without having an ineffective build path.
k911871 votesIt's not about the build path, it's about how hard it falls off after 1 item, your build becomes so bad for the next 2-3 items and gets outclassed by the traditional build for the rest of the game.
You also can't put a minimum number of times on repositioning with Vayne during her ult, every situation changes.
You'd need a minimum of probably 500 damage from duskblade per ult for it to be as valuable as IE during your ult, that's only at 2 items.
After 2 items that number keeps rising, to unreachable levels.
I'd also like to point out, duskblade is unlikely to be used when her ult is down. You should not be building an entire item that is only effective(not even as effective as ie) for 8-12 seconds every 100~ seconds.
You can keep theory crafting and what not, but I'm telling you now that it's bad.
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesNot theorycrafting it's from use.
Also it's "outclass" isn't an issue if you're allowed to still get your items normal items.
GigglesO2 votes[{quoted}](name=Sona x Rubick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3M8uQ22f,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-11T18:13:53.577+0000)
if talon instakilling me as jhin isn't good, then there isn't any SINGLE REASON on earth, on jupiter, on Io, on the whole universe for a DPS adc that can kill tanks to instakill me from stealth.
Good fucking job
No reason for 300 armor tanks to die (to physical damage) in 2 seconds either while we are at it...
k911872 votesTanks don't die to an adc that quick, quit making exaggerations.
If you try to stand in front of a team, you better hope you get blown up.
Blåbæret3 votesTanks don't die to an adc that quick, quit making exaggerations.
If you try to stand in front of a team, you better hope you get blown up.
Really? Try playing a tank vs. Vayne - let's see how long you last.
k911873 votesTry not standing in a Vayne's face if you don't have backup or the advantage to do so, if she's killing you that fast with her physical damage, she's probably 5-6 items with plenty of armor pen, which is the point adc outscales tanks and starts decimating them.
I would also be completely fine with you linking a match where that happened, as I bet I could very easily show you why you would die that quick.
Blåbæret2 votesTry not standing in a Vayne's face if you don't have backup or the advantage to do so, if she's killing you that fast with her physical damage, she's probably 5-6 items with plenty of armor pen, which is the point adc outscales tanks and starts decimating them.
I would also be completely fine with you linking a match where that happened, as I bet I could very easily show you why you would die that quick.
It would seem you have no clue about Vayne's chase mechanics and stealth. Vayne can easily kill any tank in a matter of seconds, that's common knowledge.
Bots Whilst High1 votesNo reason for 300 armor tanks to die (to physical damage) in 2 seconds either while we are at it...
Theyre not dying to the physical damage. And the true damage takes 3 procs which is difficult while dodging skillshot s and Cc from 5 people. Also if you jhin you must be missing your snare and one shot 4th auto
Dominick Destine2 votesI tend to agree.
Vayne's buffs were unnecessary.
k911871 votesNo they weren't, she'd been in a terrible spot for a long time, and only moved from terrible to slightly below average with the buffs.
Not much changed about her, except people realized forcing BoTRK on her is a death-wish to your elo.
She's still mediocre at higher levels of play, which proves that all you have to do is learn the game and you'll shit on her.
Dominick Destine3 votesto your elo. all you have to do is learn the game and you'll shit on her.
Sigh. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=k91187 http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Dominick%20Destine
The moderators dislike it when I bring up people's rank but they don't seem to mind if I respond to someone that does it first. You shouldn't talk trash about rank.... especially when you are bronze. [Inb4 "I'm actually WildTurtle in RL!!!! dis mai faek accont"].
Vayne did not need these buffs.
Bultz2 votesI agree undo the Yasuo Nerfs!
Vesemir2 votesVayne is disgusting righy now. There is literally 0 counterplay. Dont tell me to pressure her early game because no matter what you do she will outscale everyone at 20~ mark
