You're not allowed to pick a hero that was picked/banned in the game before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYXA9r8r3NM
how did it ends up? it ended up with so many trash heroes picked, much more fun to see than regular competition
what's the opinion of the community on this? i think it would have been a lot more interesting if world was played with this mode.
10 bans 10 picks
2 or 3 games it makes at least 40 champs picked in 2 games
Sahn Uzal105 votesThat might actually make me watch Competetive LoL.
Vegas Dad11 votes[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YRlf83Qj,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-11-05T12:34:57.363+0000)
That might actually make me watch Competetive LoL.
Might actually find out who is the best at the GAME, instead of the handful of sterile meta champs. Lets review this seasons finals. Orianna player vs a viktor player, repeated poppy top counter picked by trundle over and over, Jungle was lee sin vs elise pretty much? bot lane zyra vs karma, caitlyn vs jihn.... Not very representative of overall skill at league of legends, just a measure of each players skill at playing the exact same champs and titled based on the champ vs champ match up not even player skill.
D357R0Y3R97 votesforcing the pros to pick more champs? something else than overloaded kits? na that would be heaven. welcome to downvote kingdom come, because you mentioned dota2 in a league forum
Dracocrash38 votesnah. Ive seen league players are normally chill with dota2 players. Its the dota2 players that spam dota2>league because of insecurities.
Sona x Rubick13 votesyup
dota2 players are way more insecure than league players, in memes/games when i do dota threads generally it's better taken than when my dota 2 name is "Call me Sona, Call me Rubick"
however i still get retarded people that tells me to go back to dota2, "go back" when i was in league before them.
Darth StepVader34 votesThis mode in a pro league tournament would cause my death due to pleasure overload.........Seriously though, i'm certain Riot could do away with one of the boring tournaments they hold during the year, that noone watches btw, and simply replace it with this one. Viewing charts would go overboard.
CuII The Meek1 votes"nobody watches" O.o
Darth StepVader7 votes"nobody watches" O.o
No offence but, apart from the Worlds Championship, all the others appear extremely uninteresting and somewhat boring. Mostly due to the meta enforced games...Seeing the same team compos bitch slapping each other over and over is pointless.
Xonra3 votesYou would be very wrong.
MSI had VERY high viewer numbers
All stars always has high viewer numbers.
IEM is hit or miss, but that isn't Riot ran.
GULAG 4 U23 votesMaybe Aatrox and Master yi will get picked : ^)
DrCyanide18 votesNot only would this widen the champion pool, but could you imagine the strategies that would develop?
Team A picked X, Y, and Z. Champion N counters their comp, and is a strong pick, but we're first rotation next game, and we can probably get by with picking Champion M right now.
It'd be a ton to adapt to, and I'm sure the commentators are having anxiety attacks just thinking about it, but it would be interesting to see.
In a Best of 5, there'd be a minimum of 60 champions picked/banned, and a maximum of 100!
For reference, 2015 worlds had only 69 champions seen.
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/esports/V0WsriPU-champs-seen-at-worlds-a-list
Great Muta12 votesI'd love to see it. The MF Support games by ROX were some of the most fun games in the tournament. Meanwhile, I skipped certain games just based on the champs involved.
WiegrafOfValor12 votesDo you want to get 
in competitive play? because that's how you get in competitive play.
Teridax6811 votesThis sounds fantastic. So much of the stagnancy issues in pro play come from pros picking only a handful of flavor of the month champions and hard-focusing them during practice, because they know they're going to be the only champions that will truly see play in competitions. The difference doesn't have to be that large, and sometimes it might not even be an objective power differential (many OP champions only end up being "discovered" weeks or months after whichever changes made them strong), but the current state of competitive League means that there is no real point in practicing champions that feel weaker than others unless they're meant to be surprise picks. I think this kind of change could help, and I feel there are enough champions out there for elimination mode to be extended throughout an entire competitive bout, e.g. 5+ or even 10+ matches.
Not only would a change like this break the relative stagnancy of the competitive scene, it could also introduce a new element of strategic depth to pro play: with this kind of change, teams would have to ask themselves whether to save up on their best champions until later, or whether to play it safer in the meantime and pick one or more top-tier champions for their current match. We'd get to see wackier synergies and riskier picks on top of the existing compositional standards, as well as completely different strategies in and out of matches.
I also feel a change like this could be inspirational to the rest of us players: as much as many of us hate to admit it, our opinions of champions and the game are heavily influenced by pro play, and often a champion can feel trash simply because they weren't picked too often in recent competitions, even if they're objectively quite good. Pro tactics and strategies also get copied out of competitive play, and a greater wealth of those on display could inspire players to pay more attention to context and try out more things.
The only potential downside to this is that, since we'd be seeing pros play champions they're less familiar with, the quality of their play might end up reduced as a result. However, even that might be a good thing, since pros currently push many champions to their breaking point (Azir and Kalista both rose and fell hard due to their impact on pro play, for example), and focus too hard on only a small portion of the game's potential roster, which also leads to a degree of resistance to new champion releases and strategies. Seeing a pro make mistakes on a champion they haven't spent 100+ hours practicing in the past month is something we can all relate to, and could also help add a degree of unpredictability to every competitive game, since no pro player could afford to become literally flawless at a single champion when they might only be able to play that champion once per bout.
Best princess EU2 votesI also feel a change like this could be inspirational to the rest of us players: as much as many of us hate to admit it, our opinions of champions and the game are heavily influenced by pro play, and often a champion can feel trash simply because they weren't picked too often in recent competitions, even if they're objectively quite good. Pro tactics and strategies also get copied out of competitive play, and a greater wealth of those on display could inspire players to pay more attention to context and try out more things.
no not really, shen was picked a lot in lcs, i never saw him so much in soloQ (before his nerf)
Teridax684 votes[{quoted}](name=Sanji fanboy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YRlf83Qj,comment-id=00110000,timestamp=2016-11-05T15:54:40.333+0000)
no not really, shen was picked a lot in lcs, i never saw him so much in soloQ (before his nerf)
That's a different issue altogether. Some champions, like Shen, have a massive difference in success between standard and pro play, because they scale massively with pro factors like team coordination and really fine-tuned mastery of their mechanics. The same thing happened to Azir and Kalista before, where they were top-tier in pro play but extremely weak everywhere else (now they're mostly just weak all the time). Elimination mode could help mitigate this differential somewhat, since pros would likely focus less hard on Shen, which would allow him to be balanced around a level of play closer to standard, instead of there being this rift between balancing around standard and the near-perfect mastery many pro players have of him.
Rivuo8 votesI made this post about competitive League Multiple times, Where each team cant pick any champ that was previously picked or banned
So if (usually best of 3) There are a total of 16 champions picked and banned.
That means there will be a total of 48 champs seen, 18 of those champs will be banned, 30 will be played.
If you're talking about best of 5 then at max that would be a 3-3 tie breaker
which would make it 70 champs played, 42 banned, For a total of 112 champions.
When i suggested this idea it got downvoted pretty harshly.
TBakes6 votesI don't think there should be 10 bans AND Elimination Mode. That would create too much complexity in picks and bans throughout a series. If they would try Elimination, then they should keep 3 bans each side. That way you don't lose a whole class of champs after one game. If they ban three junglers and then pick two more, then 5 junglers are out the door. But if they are able to ban 5 junglers and pick two, then 7 junglers are out for Game 2.
Imagine: 
are out after Game 1. I guess then they would have to pick 
Or if they tried mid lane bans: 
. So then they would need to pick 
Best princess EU25 votesimagine the entire adc class banned
lul, the outcry of pros having to play something else than an adc botlane
I Q25 votesThe return of botlane lul
Eedat5 votesDota isnt the same as LoL. They regularly have the vast majority of the champion pool viable in pro play due to certain champs being designed to hard counter others. LoL wouldn't work the same way because we bitch about lanes being impossible due to hard counters, hence why riot doesnt go out of their way to make them. Sure, there are still counters in LoL, but not nearly to the extent that there are in DotA
Sona x Rubick4 voteshow is this related to elimination mode?
Antichriststolle5 votesThis is the second time they are doing the elimination mode btw. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Elimination_Mode was the first one
Wheatloaf5 votesAll Stars are coming up... Is it me, or is that a golden opportunity to test this?
FakeGravity4 voteshmm they ban 10 adcs, and pick varus mid sivir and ashe then kindred and graves jungle, i guess next game will be machinegun lulu vs urgot
LatetotheRace4 votesI don't know if lcs players can actually play that many champions... :P
Poske3 votesGiven that most of them have 20 000 hours on league THEY Should be able to
Englais4 votesThis post should be upvoted to the heavens.
Best princess EU3 votes[{quoted}](name=Sona x Rubick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YRlf83Qj,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-05T12:11:07.311+0000)
10 bans
wait what?
league is going to have 10 bans?
pandorahearts3303 votes[{quoted}](name=Sanji fanboy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YRlf83Qj,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-11-05T12:20:29.236+0000)
wait what?
league is going to have 10 bans?
They are thinking about it
Elikain3 votesHonestly, this sounds like a great idea. Pros already play a plethora of champions because they might get target banned anyway so i can't think of a reason right now to have a counter argument. I appreciate strong picks in all their glory but repeat after repeat of the same champions severely limits what's in the LCS meta and sometimes, pros simply switch the pics with the enemy or pick the same comp.
That really isn't particularly fun to watch and i do watch competitive LoL a lot already.
Muddafragot3 votesThat would force players at Worlds to get gud with off-meta champs, and it would also give rito a lot more cash cow team skins to promote. Good for the viewers, good for the businessmen, not so good for the koreans.
ltmetal3 votesit makes at least 40 champs picked in 2 games
I came.
Baron Perenolde3 votesI want this so badly for the competitive scene. It's so lame watching such a small pool of overloaded or overly safe champions... This game has a lot of cool champs that deserve their time in the spotlight.
Sasogwa3 votesThis would make competitive unbelievably awesome.
Privileged Jew2 votesgo back to the data2 forum this is a terrible idea
Sona x Rubick19 voteswhat dota2 forum? and what do you mean by go back? i always was on this league board.
TequilaZombie25 votesMay the Lord forgive us for finding something in another game that could be utilized in our favorite one!
Volgorath2 votesThis would destroy players who have a very limited champ pool... I like it!
Selfhood5 votesAnd they should call it git gud.
SaltyToplaneGoat2 votesOH GOD IMAGINE THE FIFTH GAME.
Like, the score is 2-2 in a best of 5, and 80 champs are now unplayable, so they need to pick something new...
The Loveless2 votesThe way it works is that you can't pick heroes from the PREVIOUS single game.
The Ecdysiast8 votesIt should be every past game. LoL has the roster for it. If they wanna gain popularity by boasting that there are more than 130 playable characters, they should prove that those characters are all actually playable in a competitive setting.
Greymoore1 votesViewer standpoint: Great, more diversity in pro games. Speculative Pro standpoint: Terrible, more champs to play means that pros will end up having to play champs they have not gotten much practice on and we will probably get mediocre games. Not to mention that players with huge champ pools will have an advantage.
RISE Shlack1237 votesThat's the point tough. I realize that the pros don't like the constant balance changes, but the theory is to make them expand their pools. Hell, for us mere mortals, we're expected to know how to play many champions for every role we're able to play. Why should the pros be held to a different standard?
And your first point about the viewers is the key here - competitive LoL is all about viewership. And the numbers suggest that less and less people are watching competitive LoL. So if the numbers keep dropping, soon enough the pros won't have a job playing LoL professionally.
The pros only have jobs because we watch. If we get tired of watching the same 6 top tier champions getting picked/banned, we stop watching. We stop watching, what are they playing for, exactly?
HollowMimic2 votes[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
