Seriously, how do we not have a freaking lose forgiven if someone ragequits in the first 5 minutes?

Raoul·Mar 20, 2016·109 votes·2,763 views

Just had a game where we had a riven mid, noone said anything, we let her have her pick, then she fed first blood (of course) and again, noone said anything, the chat was empty, except for our jungler saying thx after we gave him a pull, and that Riven just went "ok, I am leaving" and quit. Gone. 4v5 with first blood on a now free farming midlaner.

How the fuck is that game still counted? DotA gives you a forgiven lose if someone leaves in the first minutes of a game or never connects at all. Why the hell is LoL cpounting this as a lose? And if you now come with the freaking argument "otherwise you would bully people to leave" you litterally admit that DotA2 has a better community than LoL, cause they have this forgiven system and it is NOT abused!

40 Comments

t0xx1kMar 20, 201614 votes

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CanidaeMar 20, 20166 votes

What about the Plat one? And how often do U play either account? Nothing about the game warrants a 3-Tier difference between accounts if U play both of them the same way.

Robbit MangMar 20, 20165 votes

^ this. Im a high gold level player and i have never had trouble crushing bronze/silver level players on smurf accounts even in most counterpick matchups. The difference in skill is WAY too great to warrant that high of a rank difference

swordishforceMar 20, 201615 votes

Gonna be honest and say without evidence of the accounts and their ranks I definitely do not believe you. If you are plat skill level you can carry out of bronze if you play the account somewhat regularly.

ayNigerianPrinceMar 21, 20162 votes

Agreed. I was placed in bronze 3 and climbed to silver 5 within a few weeks, with no afks I can remember on either team.

PROJECT KatarìnaMar 21, 20161 votes

Same bronze is stupid easy to put a whole team on your back.

AírMar 21, 20162 votes

It is all a matter of luck. My duo partner had the same thing happen to him. It got him to drop from Plat 4 to S1. And at first I was thinking, "wow, he must be doing something wrong if he is losing almost 60 games in a row with some wins here and there." Then I watched about 10 of his games... and although he overwhelmingly swamped his opponent, he had an AFK. Every. Single. Time.

Death Magic DoomMar 21, 20161 votes

Actually i bringed 5 accounts to plat, this means i'm still too weak for Diamond but at the same time this means that for an average player it's almost impossible to not achieve at least gold, even with all afk\trolls\unlucky stuff u could meet.

MKDkillaMar 21, 20165 votes

Plat 3 here, and I don't know about you, but I shit on silvers and bronzies while duoing with my bronze 2 friend a while back on this smurf and carried all games, and played mostly champions that I've hardly ever touched. The difference in mechanics and game knowledge should be large enough to let you snowball.

Now if you're playing support with Janna or Soraka then yeah, it could be quite hard to snowball and you might end up losing games regardless of your skill, but shit, if you're a plat losing to bronzies and are playing with what you usually do, you're either lying, don't deserve plat, or are just genuinely unlucky.

t0xx1kMar 21, 20162 votes

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NarasimhaMar 21, 20161 votes

Carrying a 5v5 is one thing. Carrying a 4v5, 3v5 is a different story.

In Bronze? Not really. Hell, I'm about the high Gold/low Plat level, and I don't have much trouble with 4v5 at the Bronze or even low Silver level. Well, assuming no one else feeds out their ass, but thats a seperate issue.

Robbit MangMar 20, 20165 votes

Dota 2's loss forgiven works only if they DC before first blood for ranked que. Wouldn't have helped you in your case. I do 100% encourage a safe-to-leave mechanic for normals and for ranked if they never connect. straight up lost 4 of my 170 ranked games this season to people never connecting which is like 2%? thats pretty decently high imo

SirabellMar 20, 20164 votes

There are few things worse in this game than landing in the rift only to find there are four of you on your team who are actually playing. Being forced to play for 20 minutes in games like that is bad enough, but having it counted as a loss, after you're all trying your best to pick up that persons' slack, even when the game was not even legitimately fair to begin with? Now that's just silly. These games should not count. I realize that making it so any time someone leaves count as null could be abused, but there has to be some way to balance this a bit. This thread needs more attention.

RaoulMar 20, 20161 votes

Thank you :)

And for you last point: Thats why I said that the lose forgiven should only be if the quit happened in the first 5 minutes. Because at that point, unless you got crushed like hell, its impossible to see if the game is a win or lose, hell, even if it goes to be a steamroll, it shouldnt be obvious in the first 5 minutes in like 99% of all cases. So there would be no chance it could be abused to bully someone out of a lost game, because when you realise its a sure lost game, its already too late for the lose forgiven. So it would only count for people who really ragequit after first blood or never connect.

KnalxzMar 20, 20163 votes

Reason number 87 why I left ranked.

Oddly enough it seems like Riot is trying to get more people in groups to play ranked so they can have people they know won't leave instead improving solo queue.

blueberrypancakeMar 21, 20161 votes

I bet you have 99 problems But bitch you aren't one of them xD

ZacsterMar 20, 20162 votes

If you lose in this unfair game it should be counted as a neutral game. What I mean by this is that you neither get a loss or a win, but you still receive Ip etc.

swordishforceMar 20, 20162 votes

Just give us a /surrender at 10 minutes when there is an afk and somehow auto report the person who is afk.

63536895_DELMar 20, 20162 votes

It's funny how people complain on boards about no loss forgiven when it's obvious riot doesn't give a fuck at all. Its been 7 years and Riot hasn't implemented a feature that literally EVERY OTHER major moba has. You should all quit this game like I did, most people only play League out of addiction and not because it's fun.

Yes, I'm posting on the boards for a game I quit, BRING ON THE DOWNVOTES.

DisenMar 21, 20162 votes

Played over 200 ranked games this season. I've had three games with afk/ragequits and one was on the enemy team.

ChillodesiacMar 21, 20163 votes

You're an outlier, imo. I, too, have played over 200 games this season, but I'd venture to say that ~20- 25% of my games include a rage quitter in some form - IE DC's or just afk's on fountain and continues to rage.

I placed into bronze 1 after promos, fell to bV, grinded to S1 promos, and then fell back to s4 zero lp. I know that part of that fall is on me, due to me playing champs I have no business playing @ times, BUT there really seems to be a huge amount of rage quitters... and I can see the reasoning, being so discontented with a pretty broken system, which churns out toxicity at a "overwhelming" rate. A rate which Riot even acknowledges (after you report someone), yet seems to refuse to address, outside of free promo wins if you get demoted. -_-

chide da junglerMar 21, 20162 votes

Why isn't there loss-forgiveness when your top xin goes 2-14-1, which is worse than being afk.

RaoulMar 22, 20161 votes

Because it is nearly impossible to see if someone is trolling or just playing bad. If the last thing is the case, you jungler should have camped his lane.

On the other hand a DC or Quitter can be compensated.

RyùuzakiMar 20, 20161 votes

that's why i stoped doing rankeds it just drives me crazy the fact that loosing a 4v5 40mins matchthen the enemy team saying "gg easy" and you loose lp for that ?

DealthMar 20, 20161 votes

Yep. I had a game where we were winning all game then our mid laner afk'd because our jungler took blue so we lost.

It's frustrating, but it's not an every-game thing and can happen to the enemy just as often.

No flash no lifeMar 21, 20161 votes

Duo queue A: yo we gave 1st blood and our bot lane sux, might wanna dc at 4:59 if things don't improve Duo queue B: ok

Wiz10011Mar 21, 20161 votes

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Duo queue A: yo we gave 1st blood and our bot lane sux, might wanna dc at 4:59 if things don't improve Duo queue B: ok

Simple, if theres an AFK, they are exempt from the loss prevention and anyone they are partied with aswell.

No flash no lifeMar 21, 20161 votes

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Simple, if theres an AFK, they are exempt from the loss prevention and anyone they are partied with aswell.

Solo queue A with 0 lp @ bronze V: yo we gave 1st blood and our bot lane sux, wat now Solo queue B with 100 lp @ bronze I promo: can u dc for us, I'm doing promo Solo queue A with 0 lp @ bronze V: sure, I got nothing to lose.

N30NP4NDAMar 21, 20161 votes

Solo queue A with 0 lp @ bronze V: goes down division You can still lose lp with 0...

No flash no lifeMar 21, 20161 votes

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Solo queue A with 0 lp @ bronze V: goes down division You can still lose lp with 0...

what division do you go down to, iron/wood I? >_>

N30NP4NDAMar 21, 20161 votes

Obviously :P

BestTristMyHausMar 21, 20161 votes

I am so SICK of seeing "guy is gonna abuse this" as the response EVERY time someone tries to suggest something for the RAMPANT issue of afk/dc/troll in this damn game. Give people 1 "exempt" a week or a month whatever. Oh, solo player gets OTHER solo player to cut out at the 5 min mark because of some other loser. Solo player gets a pass WHOOP DEE SHIT. I had a game where our mid dc'd before the first minion hit lane. We played that sucker out and kept it level to the 15 min (or so) mark when the mid actually came back. Would love to say "and we WON that shit", but what ACTUALLY happened? 2 mins after mid dc returned, support DC'd and was out until 2 mins before game end.

This suggestion doesn't do a damn thing to save me from that kind of problem, but if we can't get ANY kind of loss forgiven because assholes are just gonna abuse the fuck out of ANYTHING you give them, then this game has a serious ASSHOLE problem that should be looked into.

McprowlingtonMar 21, 20161 votes

If our biggest concern is Bronze 5 players having a slightly easier time getting to bronze 4 with the correct circumstances then I think we're okay.

PiVoRxMar 21, 20161 votes

Whole ranked system is designed like there are no afkers/trolls/feeders in this game, thus each lose is counted as deserved and fair one, thats just bullshit. We need some kind of a way of LP refund system when becoming victim of an afker or any other curse.

Maximum MordeMar 21, 20161 votes

Riot tried to add one but Rengar kept one shot ting it every time it made it to the patch.

Ak ThunderMar 21, 20161 votes

i have climbed twice and im in bronze made it to sliver last season but i cant make it out. right now im b2 but trolled and had terrible teams and got in to b5. im not saying im the best (we have bad games from time to time) but when i know i can play certain champs and actually play them good 90% of the time and can get past b2 then i idk what to do cuz its hard to carry people in bronze.

MazariamontiMar 21, 20161 votes

I think there is a fear of people leaving early to save a friend a loss, in which case I feel the loss for leaving a game should be doubled. Honestly I'd prefer a mercy system of some sort.

AstôlfoMar 21, 20161 votes

ensue ragequit at 5:01