On this issue of %pen I can think of three solutions

Rebonack··1 votes·289 views
  1. Remove percentile penetration as an itemization option and then nerf Ar/MR values to reasonable levels. Right now a tanky target is either immortal to folks without Whisper/Void or they're a wet paper bag to people with it.

  2. Make Void/Whisper penetrate 50% of a target's resist that EXCEEDS 60. No, not bonus resist. Making it hit bonus resist would hit soft targets building resist harder than tanky folks, as weird as that sounds. Setting the cut-off point at 60 makes it equally effective against any tanky target. The break-even point would be at around 200ish resist with the new version getting better above that value. This would mean buying these items would be a choice rather than them simply being the best damage amplification items in the game. Absolutely vital to this option is changing penetration calculations back to the old way, flat first and THEN percentile.

  3. Remove percentile penetration and turn items like Void and Whisper into flat penetration items, tools for champs who want to pop soft targets. Then alter Crit so that it grants percentile penetration on your auto-attacks rather than a chance to deal double damage. This would remove variance from Crit, remove 1% Crit chance cheese, make it so Crit users don't vaporize soft targets instantly, and maintain their ability to crack hard targets. Resist values would need to be fiddled with to keep everything running well.

So!

Do folks have a preference here? What would you like to see happen? What would you absolutely NOT want to see happen?

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Epilogue of Life1 votes

Hope they can make it around 50~60 flat pen, still about same effect on squishies, not harsh on tanks. I feel like they need to discourage ADCs building item 3143 because they can't coordinate with team and play above bronze to survive assassins.

Rebonack1 votes

I'm trying to figure out what the downvotes are for. Do some people just hate constructive conversation?

Hope they can make it around 50~60 flat pen, still about same effect on squishies,

You mean swapping out Void/Whisper to 50-60 flat? That would just utterly destroy soft targets since it would knock them down to 0 resist.

That's part of the reason why Void/Whisper are so crazy right now. A Wukong with Whisper, Ar pen runes, and Yomama's Ghostblade can deal True Damage to anyone with 70 or less armor. Getting %Pen is a false choice provided you want to deal damage.

Soft target? You want Whisper to get them as close to zero as possible.

Hard Target? You want Whisper to invalidate a large chunk of their gold purchased.

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

I'm curious what riot is going to end up doing if they do anything at all. No one on these forums can come up with a good solution so riot is probably stuck too.

Rebonack1 votes

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I'm curious what riot is going to end up doing if they do anything at all. No one on these forums can come up with a good solution so riot is probably stuck too.

Well.

For what it's worth, Dota doesn't have any percentile penetration (only flat) and it seems to get along just fine. So the 'remove %pen and make resist values sane' solution would probably work. The tricky part would be figuring out how much to nerf the cost of MR and Ar.

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