Lucian is in a bad spot right now

DestructoDave··6 votes·1,178 views

He's currently 2nd worst adc in the game win-rate wise(46%). He has some major issues now that itemization has been changed/fixed/reworked. Hes pretty weak in lane now going the old-school crit build. He has no real harass anymore with a short Q, it doesnt hit that hard either, cause of no armor pen. His all-in is extremely weak, because he cant really poke them down OR 100-0 all-in them with crit components. Even before the Q range nerf, you had to poke them down some with Q before you could all-in. You didnt have to do this with the armor pen build, so it was a justified nerf. Going back to the crit build, he may need a smidge of range added back to his Q. Hes just extremely weak in lane where he should be strong. One of the main reasons his win-rate is atrocious right now. You just get bullied in lane by pretty much every ranged support in existence, and nearly every ADC. Your only recourse of action is going all-in, but its near impossible to pull off with crit items.

His mid-game is still good, and his late is ok. But you have to wonder why are you playing a meh mid/late game short-range adc who needs 3 items to to get going, when you can just play Ez/Jhin/Cait/Vayne/etc. who are all stronger in lane and stronger late game.

I really think his last few nerfs need re-evaluated since itemization changed so heavily. A lot of those nerfs were directly related to the Armor Pen builds, old ghostblade, fervor, etc. As it stands, you have to wonder why you would want to play a guy who is weak in lane, scales worse than any other 2-3 item crit adcs, and has zero utility. I think the first order of business is maybe adding some range back to his Q. He needs something to whittle people down or give him some kind of lane presence when going slow scaling crit builds. He also needs some kind of protection from ranged supports; you pretty much have to be right on a minion to hit most people harassing you with the Q now. Again, it wasnt a problem with ghostblade; you could literally all-in off 1 combo. Thats not the case anymore.

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paperbIade1 votes

Azir Aatrox

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

hmm maybe cuz you cant rush the broken arm pen items like he did 2 patches ago

item 3147 item 3142

maybe you actually have to learn how to position and farm and how trade/play

there is the little know item that would work great with him

item 3078 item 3508

dunder kill2 votes

When bronze players tell you to git gud

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

whos bronze?

DestructoDave1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rvVcX5NU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-11-28T01:47:44.151+0000)

hmm maybe cuz you cant rush the broken arm pen items like he did 2 patches ago

item 3147 item 3142

maybe you actually have to learn how to position and farm and how trade/play

there is the little know item that would work great with him

item 3078 item 3508

Did you not read my post? I said that he was nerfed because of armor pen items. Now hes in a nerfed state because of OP builds, and is WORSE than he was back when the crit build was the norm; at time when he was never very high win-rate wise to begin with.

So now, hes a worse version of the old crit lucian. And, that makes his laning extremely bad. He has a problem where he is a lane bully, who doesnt bully anyone in lane anymore; he actually gets bullied becuase of his 500 range, worse skills, lower Q, and slower itemization. He also doesnt scale as hard as other crit adcs.

You have to wonder why you would ever pick him over any other meta adc, and even some non-meta adcs. Hes fun to teamfight with, and his late game is ok-ish. But, his laning is atrocious now. Most of the time, you are spending your laning phase trying to survive on lucian now. If he E's in to trade, hes simply not going to win that trade anymore. Hes always going to lose. He lost that trade quite a bit back when Crit was the build; but he had a long Q to poke people down to 50-75% before you attempted it. And then with the armor pen builds, he didnt have to poke anyone down. It was overbearing at that point. Hence, the nerfs.

I mean its no big deal to me; I'll just play the other meta, decent ADCs this season until lucian gets some attention. I'm just bringing it to light as someone who has played quite a few games on him over the last couple years(525+). I like playing both Ez and Jhin. I'll just spam them.

Violent Hunter2 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rvVcX5NU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-11-28T01:47:44.151+0000)

hmm maybe cuz you cant rush the broken arm pen items like he did 2 patches ago

item 3147 item 3142

maybe you actually have to learn how to position and farm and how trade/play

there is the little know item that would work great with him

item 3078 item 3508

Are you bronze? Triforce? Really bruh? Really? Really? smdh

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

yea cuz it wasnt the old build path he use to go

and his abilities proc sheen

omg

so bronze right

it not like he couldnt use every stat

the cdr the movement speed ad attack speed

its not like he isnt a caster type adc

Violent Hunter2 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rvVcX5NU,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2016-11-28T11:04:45.372+0000)

yea cuz it wasnt the old build path he use to go

and his abilities proc sheen

omg

so bronze right

it not like he couldnt use every stat

the cdr the movement speed ad attack speed

its not like he isnt a caster type adc

I've tested triforce many times. Problem is the stats are good for him but not in the power spikes he needs. He is supposed to be a lane bully and Sheen nor Phage really increase your power in lane. His power spike right now are already really pushed back because of the nerfs. All you are doing by going Triforce is pushing his power spike even further back. Also even while nerfed to hell his Ad ratios are too good for you not to build a lit of ad and if i remember correctly Triforce only has 25 ad.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

but your not realizing the procs and his passive ... increasing the damage he does

doing 200% bonus damage based off base ad

at lvl 18 he has 98 base ad so after he uses an ability he procs sheen which on his next auto will apply 196 bonus damage plus his passive damage

which is based off his total ad

and it can crit

the way he use to be built and recommended was with item 3078 item 3072 but that is when tri had crit

and he use to be strong as hell with that build

but people stop using it cuz they found a cheaper lazy build that they exploited

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

the only ability of his that truly scales with ad is his Q

his W scales on ap

and his ult is a mixture of ad and ap

Violent Hunter1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rvVcX5NU,comment-id=00010002000000000001,timestamp=2016-11-29T08:07:59.550+0000)

the only ability of his that truly scales with ad is his Q

his W scales on ap

and his ult is a mixture of ad and ap

His Ult scales with ad as well and his ult and Q is all of his damage. You don't build 25 ad for the ratios he has for a first major item. And it still pushes his power spike further abck. Sheen and Phage do nothing for him in lane. The passive also doing sheen damage does not make up for the loss of ad you ahve from building tri over ER. Lucian doesn't have enough base ad for him to use the sheen procs well in lane with out some ad before triforce.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

he ends up with 98 base ad which is on par with most adcs

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