Can we tone down Yi's late game damage.

ScriptBrand··11 votes·1,284 views

Just played a game where Yi killed me in 1.1 seconds and I had 3110 health and 172 armor...please explain to me why a champion is allowed to have that much dmg potential while having an (almost) invunerability, untargetable q, and immune to slow...

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ReshiKillim5 votes

That's not actually all that tanky, though it gives the illusion that it is. A Last whisper/BC is all he'd need to melt you like a hot knife through butter.

ScriptBrand6 votes

late. game. yi. is. not. balanced. it doesn't matter how poorly he does, if the game goes over 40 minutes you will most likely lose. if the game goes to the 45 minute mark then your team and the enemy team are most likely pretty even. if this is true, your team has to spend all their disables on yi leaving the rest of his team free to clean up kills after you've exhausted all of your cc...

ReshiKillim2 votes

I know there's a good few champions that will out duel Yi at any point of the game as long as he isn't 2-3 items ahead.

Yi is super annoying, but not as broken as he appears. What's terrifying is how well he works with things like Bortk and crit with his passive and devourer combined. Bortk is reduced by having more armor, while randuin's gives anti-crit, hp, and armor at the same time.

Yes, Yi has spammed flat true damage that can rack up a lot.

But itemizing against Yi is very possible.

disregardable2 votes

Rengar o look he died

Annie o look he died

  • replace rengar with any assassin of your choice
  • replace annie with any CC mage of your choice
ScriptBrand2 votes

you didn't read what i said. if he makes it to that point in the game you can successfully kill him, but his team will finish the rest of your team off because you blew all your cc on the broken yi...

Spicy Rice1 votes

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you didn't read what i said. if he makes it to that point in the game you can successfully kill him, but his team will finish the rest of your team off because you blew all your cc on the broken yi...

Or, use 1 hard cc and melt him, just a thought

ninjaIRL 1 votes

Syndra

Biffolo1 votes

That's kind of the point. Don't let him hit late game, close it early. It's what late game champs are designed to do.

SEKAI2 votes

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late. game. yi. is. not. balanced.

A carry isn't balanced in late game??

What a surprise!!1!!!

Why not complain about how his early is garbage?

Exactly, that's the point of a carry.

MegamanEXE792 votes

Vayne

LadyRenly4 votes

172 armor isn't really going to help you much. He has a toggle true damage, and if he opts for devourer, he has magic damage too.

Only Play Darius4 votes

First of all you done goofed to begin with if you let the game get to that point, since Yi is equivalent jungle Nasus and just farms and never ganks so his team is fighting 4v5 half the game.

Second, damage is just Yi's thing. It's the only thing he brings to the team and as such his late game damage should be rightfully solid. That being said, his late game, while strong in it's own right, still has critical weaknesses. He's extremely vulnerable to CC. He's melee so you have time to hit him from range before he gets to you. His damage is mostly sustained (like an ADC) so even while he is chopping away at your teammate, you have time to focus and kill him (burst > sustained in competitive play, which is why he is literally the only assassin you don't see in LCS). He also has no way of initiating a teamfight. If you stay grouped and ward flanks so he can't make picks, you will find him easy to deal with.

You aren't supposed to build against him, he is quite possibly the strongest late-game duelist and you CANNOT 1v1 him late game. That being said, if you aren't teamfighting that late in the game and you are actively trying to fight Yi without help, then you screwed up twice.

SecretAgentHulk1 votes

I will remember this next time my team faces an enemy Yi. Thanks for the tips!

Bahahah1 votes

Not true, loads of champs can 1v1 him. Would recommend AP bruiser Eve with rylai's against him. Kills him every time 1vs1 lategame. Eve cannot catch him if he goes ult and decides to flee, but Eve with a couple of tanky items and Rylai's&Runeglaive will withstand the damage and kill him if he's stupid enough to stay and fight. If he tries to flee too late and his ult runs out, just W and spam q and ggez.

Teridax684 votes

Damage is literally the only thing Master Yi contributes to his team. He provides no team utility or CC, is tremendously squishy, and heavily relies on his allies to get rolling in teamfights even when fed, lest he get blown up. He is the damage champion, and is meant to scale well into the late-game, so if his damage seems crazy that's a good thing.

It also seems unlikely that even Yi would be able to kill you that fast with a build like that, since he'd need around 500 AD to kill you that quickly, assuming he also has 2.5 attack speed, crits on every auto with item 3031 and item 3035, plus the usual suite of on-hit effects (e.g. item 3931 and item 3153). Even if he did, considering how he needs to physically move to your immediate vicinity to damage you, there is also a lot you could've done to anticipate or counter him during that timeframe.

Hayaishi23 votes

Yi doesn't even need late game, all he needs is Sated and Bork to destroy everyone, tanky or squishy.

SEKAI2 votes

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Yi doesn't even need late game, all he needs is Sated and Bork to destroy everyone, tanky or squishy.

Yi is fine.

The only nonsense here are those 2 items.

Dunkrius2g2 votes

Here is your solution. Remove item 3930.

PlsTouchMeGently2 votes

Played a game with this guy a while back. He's really not that good, so I wouldn't take his inability to simply cc Yi as an obvious need for Yi nerfs.

ScriptBrand1 votes

who are you? if i dont remember you, you must not be special. i see you're a malz main...LOL

PiVoRx2 votes

As Yi main i really would like to shift some late game damage for early utility, maybe reduce true damage for a stun. The only thing Yi has is damage, witohut it and sated devourer hes nothing..

Starfish H1 votes

Point and click stuns are your best friends. However it isn't his late game that's broken it's his SATED late game. Procing True Damage twice is a huge pain as well as effectively halving the CD of his Q and passive.

MakeABronziesDay1 votes

screenshot or it didnt happen

ninjaIRL 1 votes

I'm guessing he had Sated Devourer?

If it's not the Sated Devourer that needs a nerf then that's a big problem we have right there.

Jungle Lux God1 votes

I'd wait until next patch to make judgements on how strong Yi is.

Devourer is getting nerfed next patch (phantom hit applying every 4 attacks, from 2), and Yi will probably be a lot weaker from that.

EDIT: my mistake, phantom hit only reduced on ranged attacks.

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