@Statikk 7 Been Months, and Support Lulu is still undertuned.

GuiltyGecko··3 votes·916 views

I hate to hold you too this statement you made 7 months ago Statikk, but I'm tired of my favorite champion being in this state. 7 months ago, you made this statement:

I will say, if we do make changes again to address her power level in Mid Lane, we will most definitely have to compensate her in Bot Lane.

Since then, Lulu HAS been nerfed, and has NOT received anything to help her bot lane. More promises were made in patch 4.13, where this statement was made after more Lulu nerfs:

We initially thought solo lane Lulu was a unique addition to the game, so we wanted to let her stay a viable pick in both solo and duo lanes...we know this isn't a great situation where we keep indirectly reducing support Lulu's power to maintain her viability as a mage, so this is something we'll have to really consider for the future.

The problem is, that Lulu hasn't received any help for 7 patches since those nerfs in 4.13! I don't understand how we can all just sit around and make empty promises and say that's okay. Lulu's win rate has sunk, as well as her play rates. Why? Now that she isn't overly dominate in solo lanes anymore, those that picked her up strictly because she had an abusive kit have dropped her. Those that continue to play Lulu are mostly Lulu mains that just like her kit/theme/play style etc. The thing is though, is that all those nerfs have left us with an under-tuned champion.

To put it bluntly, I feel like Support Lulu was hijacked by mid and top laners, abused for her power until she was nerfed repeatedly, then given back to support players like, "Here you go, she's no use to us solo laners anymore so you can have her back. We're done squeezing all the usefulness out of her." Then, we Lulu players get dialogue from Riot saying "Don't worry, We're watching it.", but clearly that's not the case.

THEN, in the 4.20 patch notes, we support Lulu players get a slapped in the face when we look at the Champion Mana Regeneration Changes section, and see Lulu listed under MAGES instead of traditional supports. Maybe I need to look at Lulu's champion spotlight again, but I think she was made to be a tradtional support, not a mage. Morello even commented once that Lulu was a shining example of what a support SHOULD be. She isn't even played that much in solo lanes anymore (or in general really.) Not like she used to be.

I'm not here to just complain. I would like to offer plenty of suggestions to fix Lulu, but all I ask is that Riot, stay true to what you said on paper. I would prefer if Lulu didn't turn into an ignored case just because her player base wasn't being vocal enough. I am here to let you know that we are here, and we would like to have a discussion.

6 Comments

imamonster131 votes

Yeah, i definitely agree with you on this. I play lulu as support almost 90% of the time, and she has multiple problems.

  1. VERY mana hungry early game.
  2. VERY squishy throughout the entire game.
  3. Really falls off offensively in mid to late game.
  4. NOT ENOUGH TIME ON WHIMSY and it doesn't even cancel most champions moves like it should. Lulu item 3151
Darth Pixy Misa1 votes

You dont want Lulu to be in the traditional support column, the growth rate for them is poor. Mages from lvl 4 on get better mana regen.

GuiltyGecko1 votes

Lol, I know what you mean. However, it has less to do with the mana and more to do with the label.

Riot placed the mage label on her, and if that's true and they don't consider her a traditional support anymore then I have dim hopes on getting any help on the Support Lulu front.

Ghiefelstein1 votes

I would also like to have a discussion about Lulu. I want to believe that Riot actually considers her future like they claimed on paper, but months of silence make it very hard to keep trusting them.

At the very least, I would like to see a vision of what Lulu's place in the game should be. What direction can we expect for her? If she is going to stay undertuned as a support to keep her viable in the mid lane, at least tell us that. Keeping Lulu viable as a solo laner was an experiment, now evaluate the results of that experiment. Is Lulu what you want her to be?

GuiltyGecko1 votes

Ya, you're second paragraph really hits the point. The silence is really what's killing me.

CoolKnightST1 votes

I actualy liked her role more when she was played toplane. Think about it. What other toplaner could shield someone. Let's look to the list from champions that can provide a shield to allies: JannaKarmaLeeSinLuluLuxOriannaShenThresh

Yes whe have all seen them in the toplane in solo Q but their is actualy only one that was actualy designed for that role & that's Shen. Whe all known LeeSin is now concidered a jungler.

So:

  • Top: Shen
  • Mid: LuxOrianna
  • Jungler: LeeSin
  • Support: JannaKarmaThresh

So far the only alternative for Lulu in the toplane would be Karma. The only differents is that Lulu is a lot more teamfight oriënted & provide a lot more peeling to the team.

In my opinion it might not be that bad to keep Lulu as a solo laner but only if riot gives us a proper poke support for it in return. Why don't be whe trade it with Morgana. That's a trade I could agrea with. Than they can adjust their kit to that role rather than attempting to ballance them all.

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