Stop saying Azir is weak.

Bellows·Sep 27, 2016·10 votes·2,446 views

Everyone jumps on this regurgitated ban-wagon that a champ is weak after getting nerfed. His tools allow him to be pretty safe in lane, do stupid amounts of poke damage still, and rek teamfights if hes not addressed. Just cause he isnt a must pick in Worlds anymore, DOESNT mean hes weak, just means hes stepped to the side to allow for other options to be just as viable.

Actually play the %#*@ing champion before you jump on ban-wagons that are just regurgitated puke. Nonsense.

15 Comments

Banana NationsSep 27, 20166 votes

He isn't weak in the hands of a very good azir. But 41% winrate really does mean that he is weak

PalPlaysSep 27, 20162 votes

So what you're saying is that balance should be dictated by using Bronze/Silver/Gold's lack of skill at using a champion as a guide? If a champion is played by a "very good Azir" and he does well against players of the same skill level, then that champion is good. It's like saying that Warwick is overpowered and needs nerfed because a Gold Warwick main destroys fellow Golds.

Think of competitive Melee/Project M. Fox, in both games, is currently ranked in S tier (the best of the best). He's also one of the hardest characters to play effectively due to the requirement to waveshine, drill-shine, short-hop double lazer, and generally become frame perfect with him. If I bring a Brawl/Smash 4 player to an actual Melee tournament (not some casual scene), put the controller in his hands and tell him to "play Fox and win." I assure you that he is GOING to lose that tournament, 100%. Fox is top tier, but unskilled players can't play him. That doesn't mean that he needs buffs.

At the end of the day, League of Legends is a competitive game FIRST. A game designed to meet and cater to high skill levels will STILL be appealing to casuals (take Melee and Project M as an example of that). However, a game designed around the casual, or low-skill level players will not survive a competitive scene (take Brawl as an example). Riot usually does, and always SHOULD look to high elos to dictate balance.

There is also a GIGANTIC factor called the Placebo Effect. A while back, Kennen's Mark of the Storm got a tooltip fix. For years his tooltip indicated that his passive stunned for one second; for years it was stunning people for an INTENDED 1.25 seconds. Riot finally noticed that this age-old buff wasn't reflected in his ability description, so they fixed it. Soon after, his winrate and popularity went up. Not because he got a buff, but because people BELIEVED that he was a better champion (other than a rare and minor glitch being fixed on his ult, he wasn't). The same goes for the LCS. When people play Varus in the LCS, people play him in normals and ranked, believe he is better, and play better because of that. However, when the meta moves on and away from Varus, people stop seeing him in the LCS, feel like there is a balance reason (it's really just the metagame, or "changing game"), and stop playing him DESPITE the fact that Riot buffed him in preseason.

Just give Azir time. The meta will favor him once again, and his winrate will go up once again.

AstôlfoSep 27, 20164 votes

Which is why Azir has been garbage outside of LCS for over 2 years? And all his nerfs eventually got him dropped out of LCS picks as well? And that's also why the only people good at him are less than 0.2% of the global playerbase?

Banana NationsSep 27, 20161 votes

Azir had the same problem Aurelion sol is seeing now where people with 100+ games have insane winrates in comparison to lower games played ( I believe A sol has over a 60% winrate for 100+ games) and i doubt azir is very different

PalPlaysOct 11, 20161 votes

Ummmmmmmmmmm...It's called people being bad, the meta shifting, and people being bad.

AstôlfoOct 11, 20161 votes

Uh no, Azir is disgustingly garbage. Or sure, you're that top sub-0.2% of the global playerbase with hundreds of games on him and are someone ranked among almost entirely Master or Challenger, with few Diamonds, and even fewer Plats.

PalPlaysOct 13, 20161 votes

I can see him getting buffs, but please, not before they put a lot of effort into fixing his rampant bugs.

AstôlfoSep 27, 20166 votes

He is essentially weak, considering that over 99.8% of players around the world are shit at Azir? And pretty much the only ones good at Azir are almost exclusively Master/Challenger players, all of which have hundreds of games on him? Learn your facts next time before trying to make a repwhore thread bud.

EDIT: Oh look, downvotes from Azir QQers.

FostXTVSep 27, 20165 votes

Azir is junk right now. I got 300k on him and I know what I am talking about. His ultimate nerf was just stupid from 5/6/7 to 3 seconds. Very sad.

PalPlaysSep 27, 20162 votes

Right? It's funny that people stop playing or rag on champions that aren't played in the meta dictated by Worlds and the LCS. Varus is a prime example of such a champion, where he was a must have in early Season 5, the meta moved on, he GOT BUFFS IN PRESEASON, but still isn't played.

Sexy Jack RabbitSep 27, 20161 votes

A lot of the complaints around Azir are just due to how strong he USED to be, it's mainly just personal preference. He isn't weak in the correct hands, but he is still in a bad spot.