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Sooo, can we pretty please buff Twitch?

Bellows··26 votes·2,464 views

If anything, can you ATLEAST revert the passive back to the 3 true damage per second rather than the 2, it adds more than it sounds like and would make him more viable.

Though he IS vaible hes kinda weak incomparison to other adc's right now and generally hard to play. I remeber when the twitch rework came out and i liked it but then some time after the rework you lowered his passive from 3 true damage a second for 6 seconds, stacking 6 times

way down to 2 true damage a second for 6 seconds, stacking 6 times. Though the true damage reduction doesnt seem like much, you loose out on a lot of trading potential that will allow you to survive when getting bruised on.

total poke DoT damage before nerf - 3damage x 6stacks x 6seconds = 108 true DoT

total poke DoT damage after nerf - 2damage x 6stacks x 6seconds = 72 true DoT

That quite a bit when trying to harass in lane. Now even before they nerfed it, it wasnt OP like some other DoT's we know... Brand Darius Fizz and maybe coulda even used a buff?....?

but pre-nerf a good tactis was to keep refreshing the DoT by aaing them once and it was a good harass tool. Now its but a cheap vehicle for E that isnt too impressive right now but tis something.

I dont know who might agree with me but all i know is that he IS indeed in a slightly poor spot compared to the other adc's that should not be a problem for his time of poke/DoT harass kit.

Show this dirty rat some love guys. XD <3Twitch <3

P.S.- I forgot to mention it scales but even at late game it maxes at like 288 true damage and for late game that fell off back in mid game lol

36 Comments

DogIsGod5 votes

No. He's too toxic. Huh? Get it? No? Ok... Also he has 50% win-rate, what's wrong with that?

ScowlingGusStraw4 votes

Ya twitch could use an early game buff

A Miss Fortune4 votes

I think buffs should be aimed towards his late game. Even when he does hit his late game, his strongest point, he's still outshone by Tristana or Vayne. He should have a realllly weak early game but a reallllly strong late game, but his late game power just isn't really that outstanding.

SlaktarTasken1 votes

He just got an early game buff, his passive makes short trades very beneficial for him given he doesn't take massive damage, I think people should accostume to the buff before screaming for more, he can easely become super oppressive, aside from that, he is a much better designed ADC/Assassin than Vayne.

Remlap12231 votes

And then we go back to square one of why he got nerfed in the first place. Which Riot is ok to do apparently on the PBE. He's going to get his stealth while damaged buff reverted, mark my words.

ComannderShepard1 votes

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Ya twitch could use an early game buff

Yeah twitch has imo the hardest laning phase of any adc

Only Play Darius4 votes

He never got a rework. He got an amazing VU that got people actually playing him, and realizing how strong he was which was what led to the brutal nerfs.

Sometimes the efforts to improve the quality of a champion's life is what ruins them in the end.

Also Twitch is a much better designed ADC/Assassin/Hypercarry than Vayne so if we aren't going to nerf her obnoxious ass then we might as well buff this lovable rat instead.

AsReelAsItGets1 votes

Even before that time period he was being nerfed from the beginning...slowly. But I will say this: 4.10 I think it was was a HUGE mistake that should have never happened. in fact I still think to this day it should be reverted and they only went half way. Both with his passive and Stealth delay.

Roamcel2 votes

I've seen it literally destroy entire level 18 teams, single handedly. why the fuck ever would he need a buff since a good player can own with it?

Only Play Darius3 votes

Because he is hands down the worst ADC to play when behind. If you don't win your lane or at least go even (both of which are unlikely because his early game is atrocious and offers nothing in the way of damage OR safety) then the rest of the game is going to be complete misery until you get your 5th item.

He's not like Vayne who can just start solo farming the lane after going 0/4 and still somehow kill Zed if he comes down to assassinate her isolated self. When Twitch falls behind he STAYS behind.

DogIsGod4 votes

Oh shit really? He really is bad when behind? Holy shit. That probably doesn't happen to every champion, he really must be unique and weak.

SlaktarTasken1 votes

Fully agree, also, he just got a buff, we should definately wait for stats feedback before pushing him overboard.

Kampsycho2 votes

considering he's one of the adcs that doesn't have an instant cc or dash to save himself a bit, It's really bad... You can barely farm alone even when behind cause he's really squishy and 6 seconds to escape from danger is bs...when we all know most assasins and bursty champs kill you in less then 6 and rek your HP if you're a squishy and not a tank...and Twitch's an adc so Yeah

DogIsGod1 votes

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Kampsycho2 votes

Thanks, Didn't mean it as he should be tanky though, But I meant he should atleast have an instant escape or CC to save jhis ass when an assasin or tank or anything jumps him when he's alone or isolated in a Teamfight. Like if a Kha/Rengar/Elise/Talon. Jump an Ashe, She can ult,Cait dashes, and so does, Graves,Vayne,Trist(jump I guess)Luc and many more. Some sure like Kog just have slow fields which imo needs some help aswell. Like something like Jinx, where she has a Rooting spell. Why not make his W Root someone if they stay in it for a few seconds or instant like a Singed W does. Same with Kog.

DogIsGod1 votes

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Kampsycho2 votes

You don't get it do you, Lux has a snare, and Most midlaners have a form of cc(like Veigar with a stun...Didn't say just dashes, But dashes or a reliable CC), a Slow isn't very helpfull for the main source of self peel when they're ontop of you always. And No he doesn't BUT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS A WAY, and He is left out along with other champions. His Q is great but its the delay wind up is the prob, Good buff atm in this patch though. But if a Kha jumps you, or you get caught ina tank's Face.... Well Gl. I get your point though, But if everyone can just dash to you, also...Mid laners have alot of CC and dashes, Look at Ahri ,LB,Zed,etc.

The Bíg Ticket2 votes

and jax too please.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

NO DANIELAS

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Yes please buff him. I wanna be able to pick him in ranked without getting flamed or reported for trolling.

Chuck Charles2 votes

Twitch is relatively weak in lane currently...but honestly I don't think he needs massive buffs and his passive isn't the issue. His real problem is just that he is very support reliant. However, a good twitch will stomp very hard. And if a twitch gets fed early even more so than other champs it's over. His late game is top 3 for adc along with kog and vayne. (Draven honorable mention against an all squish comp). That ult is probably the best ult for an adc period. Huge range, hits multiple people, applies on hit effects to all, not to mention he can executed multiple people on the team even if they start to run because it stacks his passive. Combine that with top 2 attack speed scaling in the game, and a massive attack speed steroid, and he is just a beast late game if left unchecked for even 3 seconds. I think like most late game hyper carries you have to trade off the weaker early game. Kog is weaker early, twitch is, etc. They need moments of weakness. I do feel twitch could use a slight buff to his E, to make it more of a threat to have long trades....but beyond that he's mostly ok. They can maybe slightly buff his early game with some flat starting ad to help with his trades, but you can't buff his range or anything too crazy early or he'll be pick or ban

Bellows1 votes

*bump for those who missed it in the traffic flow?

Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votes

I made suggestion a while back that he could get more power with a new passive, here. He would keep his current passive, too, so he would only gain power.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

I question why he's ever played. Comparing him to Vayne, both BEING really similar (late game hypercarries, true damage, stealth), she seemingly does everything he does aside from teamfighting significantly better.

I think Twitch's passive does need a buff so it does more than a measly 216 damage when you have to auto attack them at least 6 times and have them take the full 6 second duration. Even then his passive is so easy to counter, especially early game where you can regen more health than his passive deals in damage which is pathetic. Twitch's passive is just rarely useful, obviously once in a while you'll execute someone with it but It's more than likely because they forgot health pots. 216 damage is nothing for it being max rank, with max stacks, for the entire duration and I'm pretty sure Twitch's auto attacks alone can do over double his passive. Even Zyra's passive does double Twitch's passive damage, and while It's difficult to hit at least it hits all at once and can immediately deal the damage to multiple targets.

Aside from a buff to Twitch's passive, I think buffing Twitch's Ambush Attack Speed or giving his Ultimate a temporary Attack Speed buff would definitely help him out. Right now he's a late game hypercarry, but really he has only a 70% Attack Speed steroid? It lasts 5 seconds but really? Even caster ADCs have stronger Attack Speed steroids.

I think Riot should also be careful about buffing Twitch, one wrong buff and he'll become a pick or ban monster. However buffing him by giving him exactly 0 more damage on his rank 1 Ultimate's AD steroid, isn't going to solve his obvious issues such as he has the worst early game of all ADCs, low mobility, mediocre damage, is useless if he gets behind until full build, his main source of damage is just a watered down Kalista rend, etc.

Iittala1 votes

Can we just give him a clarity update on his ult?? I dont know the range of his ult there is no indicator.. Other than that Ive been loving playing twitch.. yes he is squishy as hell but that is because of his stealth.. His W and E combo is very mana consuming ealry but can really give you lane dominance. with the melee/hard engage supports being the norm instead of poke or even sustain he is getting a huge buff in bot lane with who his likely opponents are.

TehNACHO1 votes

I remember suggesting this a while back.

What if Twitch's E had %Health or %Missing Health damage when you get the target to 6 stacks? It creates a far more interesting divergence from a certain other delayed nuke ability, puts emphasis on his strengths as a late game ADC by giving him yet another tool to bust tanks, and backloads his damage so implementation of this is incredibly hard to straight up break Twitch almost regardless of the numbers.

Lugg1 votes

Didn't they just buff his Ambush?

RisenDarkKnight1 votes

They did but it was a very minor buff. It's still way weaker than it was last season and twitch still has a 46% winrate. Lucian is lower though, so he might need some love too.

Lugg1 votes

I think it's a case that Twitch isn't so much weak as other ADCs being stupidly OP right now. Vayne, Jinx, Kalista, and Tristana are stupid strong right now and that's who he faces 99% of the time now.

SlaktarTasken1 votes

Actually, Twitch just got a buff a little while ago, I think it was 5 base AD. While not that massive it's a pretty strong early game buff, I'd like to see some statistic feedback before we buff him more becuase good Twitch players are really, really oppressive.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

He's not all that weak against other ADC's.

He's just weak against the only ADC you're ever against. Vayne

fantastic dud1 votes

i think twitch would need a small rework getting rid of his q and w for more usefull spells to either reposition himself, pell himself, or an instant AS stereroid.

Ignis01 votes

There are two champions i CANNOT play against. Shen & Twitch . Pls don't buff either. I can be 20/0 against a 0/20 twitch and end up dying a bunch of times to him because of that damned stealth. And well shen... I tunnel vision his ult... like i will be killing someone and not notice that huge ass shield they get.

bobsenbob1 votes

Hmm I knida want to make twitch revolve around his passive like a poison adc? My idea is just to make his contaminate double the dot of his passive and triple it if he has 6 stacks on the target

AsReelAsItGets1 votes

Why not they just buff the ult damage to like 30/45/60. That way he can focus on his attack speed and deal the damage that he can. No different that Vaynes ult. ok yeah maybe not original but still I see that kinda buff would help him a lot in this matter and maybe only that is all he needs.

EDIT: and beside that his ult will end up doing 40% miminum damage on the third unit it pierces through. I think....

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