But somehow, mages are able to be safe from miles away, and burst you while having an almost impossible to dodge stun.
Next patch assassins are going to kill in less time than mages, while having to go in melee kappa
Ralanr31 votesAnnie isn't miles away. She does need flash for her stupid combo.
Syndra's stun hitbox is...stupid.
Sona x Rubick16 voteshear me out. did you watch a high diamond annie player once? annie players never play without flash
if your flash is on cooldown you don't do anything, if you're at 40 min in the game you just turtle until your flash is up, and then when your flash is up, you flash takes the adc down with ten thousand billion of damage and survive with zhonya and the broken shield.
Annie can also takes like 60% of a bruiser hp with her combo on top of her aoe stun.
Ralanr5 votesI'm not saying Annie isn't stupid. She's just more close ranged stupid.
A Superb Villain7 votesI like that; "close ranged stupid."
Pierce The Veal2 votes[{quoted}](name=Sona x Rubick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rhHo2Hce,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-10-24T19:46:21.578+0000)
hear me out. did you watch a high diamond annie player once? annie players never play without flash
if your flash is on cooldown you don't do anything, if you're at 40 min in the game you just turtle until your flash is up, and then when your flash is up, you flash takes the adc down with ten thousand billion of damage and survive with zhonya and the broken shield.
Annie can also takes like 60% of a bruiser hp with her combo on top of her aoe stun.
Ahem, good thing we also have protobelt.
ForgottenLuck2 voteswho doesn't play with flash?
Vistha Kai3 votes
I think.
ForgottenLuck2 votesWell I guess but don't forget 
but apart from those two I can't think of any
Vistha Kai1 votesI believe 
in the past was also running 
mostly.
Now it's around 30-40% so that's still a lot.
Aeszarck2 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rhHo2Hce,comment-id=000000000003000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-24T23:48:56.478+0000)
I believe
Now it's around 30-40% so that's still a lot.
Clairvoyance blog reference time! http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/keybind-wars-which-key-best-flash
As of eight months ago, the top five champions that play without flash are:
Shaco (72% of the time without flash), Singed (59%), Hecarim (57%), Olaf (33%), Tryndamere (23%)
Samflash32 votesMan I remember Tryndamere jungle.
MunchCrunchLunch7 votesi love these syndra stuns that come from fog of war. ridiculous range and hitbox.
Ralanr4 votesYou'd think dodge the orb would avoid it. Nope.
A Superb Villain18 votesPick two.
Malicious Metal15 votes
Steals all three
A Superb Villain9 votesSuddenly, the constant complaints all make sense now!
Sire Hippington2 votesyea, cause RANGE is no factor at all.....
Most assasins need to get closer than mages in order to be in range of theri gapcloser, and after that they are strandet. Mobillity is(should be) tradet for range in this scenario, not damage or cc.
People permanently ignore how much impact range has, especially riot themselfs. Most teamcomps in worlds only have 1-2 melees, and those usually on the jungler or a splitpush only toplane. Range is just a huge advantage and champions currently pay to little for that, or champs that lack range don't get compensated enough for most of it.
Shadòw12 votesthey have no mobility
D357R0Y3R6 votesit doesn't matter if they have a high range, the only one with a short range is annie due to her point and click spells.
Shadòw13 votesit does matter.
they have no follow and can't escape when the enemy frontline is on them.
GULAG 4 U3 votesOr position yourself so they can't do the latter unless they Flash R as maphite?
Jet Sett3 votesPositioning yourself to not get blown up is putting distance between you and the threat, mages usually have range in exchange for a slew of possible ways to defend against someone in their face.
The Deckowner7 votesAnnie? miles away? Syndra? impossible to dodge?
Shahamut2 votesThis right here. Annie is hardly "miles away", and Syndra's stun is not that hard to dodge.
RavenMagus5 votesAnnie
Miles away
Pick one.
Also: not even mentioning 
?
Big Lincoln4 votesI agree
give juggernauts hard CC so we can combat filthy mages
Ralanr22 votesGive us tanks high damage so we can assasinate other tanks in one rotation. I think this would be very balanced.
Kappa.
Big Lincoln33 votesI agree
Sejuani should do true damage because her weapon is true ice
It only makes sense
Ralanr14 votesAnd Sion's passive should do true damage and have CC immunity. Wow I can balance better than Riot!
GULAG 4 U13 votesWtf tenks r veri underpowrd i need 2 be able to 3 shot da adcee and cc da enture enemie teem in 1v5 fuk u azzazzin meini
Hyrum Graff2 votesWtf tenks r veri underpowrd i need 2 be able to 3 shot da adcee and cc da enture enemie teem in 1v5 fuk u azzazzin meini
-Ekko main, probably
Aaravos5 votesATM tanks only work if they can be tanky mid game assasins with IBG ( 
). They can one shot squishy targets on one/two item, but they die like a fly against a marksman on 6 item. So we are not so far from that.
Kappa .
Baron Perenolde4 votesAnnie, miles away with her spell ranges? Lol
AgentBlack3 votesNice misleading choice of examples.
Annie - short range, impossible to dodge stun Syndra - long range, dodgeable stun
Two very different Champions.
vampirekid133 votesi knew this was gonna be annie QQ somehow.
first of all, annie has the shortest range for a mage, she pretty much has to get in your face like a tank to actually hit you with anything. granted doing this was made easier with the introduction of rocket belt, and annie does take flash all the time, but its hardly from miles away.
second off, annie has 0 mobility, the slightest mistake and she dies. instantly.
an assassin making a mistake usually means they use their 3rd mobility skill to get out of it and try again in 10 seconds.
Killstrado2 votesWait what assassin's lost hard cc? Rengo kept his, kha got some, most never had it....what am I missing???
Best princess EU14 votes
stun into 100-0. stun removed changed to a slow
all could silence you and prevent you from fighting back while they unleashed all their bust
was able to knock you back with his ulti into his E and if you didn't die he had his Q, old gragas mage style was just like an assassin with an undodgeable knock back due to his R aoe
100-0 people with 2 point and click spells, and unless they had QSS they were dead
instant stun into burst
old mage style, stun into shield burst, not letting you do anything
Killstrado3 votes5 of those aren't assassins and silence isn't hard cc. What about LBs stun.....looks like you have one assassin with a stun removed,and might I ask you when it was removed from Eve?
Sona x Rubick9 votesevelynn used to be the most op assassin in season 1 friend
and even if they aren't assassins, their damage/cc got removed/nerfed for the sake of counterplay. silence is not a hard cc? damn dude,, but silence was still broken with burst and that's why it was removed.
Killstrado2 votesI'm just trying to find some relevance in your title but the content of your post has nothing to do with assassins actual cc, just mages.....mages that can't move fast are squishy and need long range hard cc to survive with the amount of mobility currently in the game.
Also they didn't make assassins kill faster, the point of their reworks was so they couldn't 100-0 anymore
Pierce The Veal2 votesI'm just trying to find some relevance in your title but the content of your post has nothing to do with assassins actual cc, just mages.....mages that can't move fast are squishy and need long range hard cc to survive with the amount of mobility currently in the game.
Also they didn't make assassins kill faster, the point of their reworks was so they couldn't 100-0 anymore
Soooo it's ok for mages to do more damage than assassins do (especially after rework), in an aoe, while also having hard cc and large range?
Killstrado1 votesOne class is always going to do the most damage lol you're nitpicking because assassins might not be the way you want them too play......and pulling points out of thin air. Assassins will do a lot of damage, some have Aoe, some have hard CC, AND SOME HAVE LONG RANGE. quit whining for no reason
Pierce The Veal3 votesMages are now long range aoe assassin with cc.
It all makes sense now. Better buff them harder AD counters them too hard maybe we should release a 5gold 300 AP item. It will be balanced trust me.
Sona x Rubick2 votesMages are now long range aoe assassin with cc.
let them realise this.
Unstoppable Monk7 votes Nah, that's for scrubs. Real players would just 2 shot noobs into the ground with a ultimate into a calculated barrel so they could have an escape up.
Ralanr4 votesI'll drink you under the table, scrub.
GULAG 4 U2 votesKha'zix got slows... no stuns nor roots.....
Vistha Kai2 votesSilence isn't hard CC.
Rysa2 votesAt least half the champs you mentioned got changed a while ago, and a couple of them aren't assassins, but are mages, because of their limited mobility. As of the new assassin changes, I don't think many of them lost their hard CC, the little it was (First that comes to mind is Rengar's Bola).
Veraska4 votesslows aren't hard CC