For 9 years, RIOT only buffed and buffed everything, which lead us to the game right now, with ADCs so broken noone else really matters, and tanks so strong only the ADCs can beat them.
How about for the next few seasons, if one group of champions is too strong, we dont buff a counter to be even more broken, but we, stay with me here, nerf the group that is actually too strong right now!
Jamaree25 votesI remember when they did just this back in the day, did nerfs instead of buffs to the strengths, people complained about it, now we have come full circle, neat.
Malak22 votesI remember when they did just this back in the day, did nerfs instead of buffs to the strengths, people complained about it, now we have come full circle, neat.
Everything is good in moderation. Imagine telling me you're thirsty then I drown you and say "now we have come full circle, neat."
As for ADCs, I don't know how they should be changed. Maybe the crit items are too good, or maybe their scaling attack speed is an issue? I don't know.
Automated Riven1 votesTake away split damage and defense items. Leave the utility of qss but remove the MR. Take away lifesteal from runes. That forces them to either die instantly or buy lifesteal and defence. And then they are fixed.
Yaśuo Main1 votesto either die instantly or buy lifesteal and defence
In which they will not have consistent high DPS and be garbage, thus removing an entire class from the game.
Leave the utility of qss but remove the MR
Then its not worth the gold it costs
That forces them to either die instantly
Don't balance a game ever
Automated Riven5 votesExcept that's how they used to be. Before when mages actually did damage. Tanks had more hp and scaled better. And marksmen were kept in line by being forced to purchase defensive items to stay alive.
AMYS GRAVE1 votesGod i miss that game.
Automated Riven1 votesYou and I both. That game was awesome. But things are looking up. Mages do damage again, (not as much but you can actually hit 600+ ap) if we got some enchanter support nerfs and a few quality of life changes to runes/marksmen this game could be awesome again.
Tik1152 votesIn which they will not have consistent high DPS and be garbage, thus removing an entire class from the game.
It worked back when the only 2 ways an ADC could lifesteal was Dorans and Bloodthirster, back then they actually had to sacrifice damage for safety, still did fine
Then its not worth the gold it costs
DOTA2 has the blink dagger, gives ZERO stats but it's still bought just for its utility
If an item has good enough utility people WILL buy it
Like back when QSSs MR was crap but people got it because its cleanse got rid of EVERYTHING
Don't balance a game ever
No need for that.
Also Assassins are literally designed to kill squishies instantly sooooooooooo
Yaśuo Main1 votesI'll admit defeat on that one considering I wasn't thinking clearly at all "especially with the last part" but
Also Assassins are literally designed to kill squishies instantly sooooooooooo
They are designed to pick off Out-of-Position marksmen by themselves. Riot now took the direction of DELAYED burst (not like 5 seconds delay but a significant amount of time) to introduce more counterplay. Riots moved past from the "Rengar-Fest" age.
Tik1152 votesThe thing is they DID add delay
But then they also added 
which brought the upfront burst right back up AND reverted the Rengar Q which gave him his 0.51 second kill again, it looks like they're starting to revert back to insta burst.
In addition if you look at the Assassins the only ones which actually had the "Delayed burst" thing added was Rengar (before the Q revert), Eve, Kat (Kinda) and Talon (And even then its not much of one) (Zed had his from day one which is why I don't include him)
Noob TFT PIayer1 votesThey just added more damage to ahri's kit as well making her a burst assassin as before. Idk why riot keeps reverting parts of kits rather than implementing a real rework...
Sailor Mint4 votesThe interesting thing, is that most buffs are partial reverts and people are complaining that runes are getting nerfed every patch.
CrazFight 9 votesRIOT only buffed and buffed everything
This statement is simply untrue, but I guess the gameplay boards are going to upvote anyways.
Raoul3 votesYes, sometimes they nerf singel champions, but overall, RIOT has powercreeped the shit out of this game with every bigger change.
CppL2 votes[{quoted}](name=CrazFight ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rchILrAY,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-03-25T19:16:17.874+0000)
This statement is simply untrue, but I guess the gameplay boards are going to upvote anyways.
Look at patch 8.6 champ changes.Its only buffs and some tweeks.Not a single nerf.
Hyquiem4 votesWhich is? My kind summoner, do you notice the fact adc is what can do much but after a while adc meta gets over and it’s assasin meta, where you have a champ who can click 2 buttons and a click and blow your hp away, then the tank meta a bit stabilized tanks could do soemthing, now it’s the onrise of bruisers since conqueror and the new Iriela. At this point you would think adc is strong but why would riot hurt the girls they created to have our eyes pealed to engage on them and fall to pieces
Sairek Ceareste5 votesWhich is? My kind summoner, do you notice the fact adc is what can do much but after a while adc meta gets over and it’s assasin meta, where you have a champ who can click 2 buttons and a click and blow your hp away, then the tank meta a bit stabilized tanks could do soemthing, now it’s the onrise of bruisers since conqueror and the new Iriela. At this point you would think adc is strong but why would riot hurt the girls they created to have our eyes pealed to engage on them and fall to pieces
That's literally the meta we have right now. The only difference is that instead of Assassins clicking 2 buttons to blow your HP away, it's ADCs doing it with sustained amounts of auto attacks.
The amount of times I get 2 or 3 shot by an ADC by around the 25 minute mark is very consistent. The only times I don't is when I go my weird banner of command/Zz'Rot portal support Morgana build since I end up with around 200+ armor and an adequate amount of health. To that end, ADCs can still delete me in mere seconds with just auto attacks.
Noob TFT PIayer1 votesWhat my problem is that if an adc is just as fed as an assassin but the adc hits the mid game 3 or 4 item spike, the adc wins because all the adc needs is a shield or two to negate the assassins burst and then noone can deal with the adc which then leads to a pentakill or easy teamfight at the least.
Sealed Talon1 votesWhich is? My kind summoner, do you notice the fact adc is what can do much but after a while adc meta gets over and it’s assasin meta, where you have a champ who can click 2 buttons and a click and blow your hp away, then the tank meta a bit stabilized tanks could do soemthing, now it’s the onrise of bruisers since conqueror and the new Iriela. At this point you would think adc is strong but why would riot hurt the girls they created to have our eyes pealed to engage on them and fall to pieces
Im sorry but i cant understand your english, but im deeply offended by your remarks about assassins and i would kindly ask you to delet dis
Śhunpo1 votesWhich is? My kind summoner, do you notice the fact adc is what can do much but after a while adc meta gets over and it’s assasin meta, where you have a champ who can click 2 buttons and a click and blow your hp away, then the tank meta a bit stabilized tanks could do soemthing, now it’s the onrise of bruisers since conqueror and the new Iriela. At this point you would think adc is strong but why would riot hurt the girls they created to have our eyes pealed to engage on them and fall to pieces
There has literally never been an assassin meta lmao.
The Archive2 votesYou are hilarious.
Śhunpo1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Archive,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rchILrAY,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2018-03-26T04:10:17.671+0000)
You are hilarious.
Thank you.
FatedSaviour2 votesthe release of lethality
Śhunpo1 votesthe release of lethality
ADCs still abused it better than assassins did lmao.
FatedSaviour2 votesmainly because assasins didnt abuse it, because it was made for them, it was just op anyway on assasins, plus isnt that mainly mf that abused it, and there was another, was it lucian?
AMYS GRAVE1 votesSeason3 had one, Season4 had one, the beginning of Season5 before cinderhulk release, the Lethality meta was quite favorable for assassins .... It has been quite a while but there have been many assassin metas.
Śhunpo1 votesSeason3 had one, Season4 had one, the beginning of Season5 before cinderhulk release, the Lethality meta was quite favorable for assassins .... It has been quite a while but there have been many assassin metas.
Yeah but assassins were never the focus of the meta, they were just...well...good. That's putting it bluntly anyways. The only true assassins who did succeed and borderline made mid lane an assassin meta were Leblanc and Zed throughout seasons 4-5.
Ariel the Cruel3 votes<Shines the nerf signal>
Nerf Master Suck Town, we need you! XD
FatedSaviour2 votesi remember back in season 5, i felt like i could be outplayed, aah the memories, i nearly never feel outplayed to the point where i verbally express every time i feel outplayed in all chat, so ,rarely
Noob TFT PIayer1 votesWhen a person makes a good play, I acknowledge it. Now its just like faceroll one shot on a lot of champs OR let me be a tank and not die 1v2. You have to put the adc on the tank pushing it back to an adc meta. I was just watching Faker go 22-4 on Zed and he couldn't win because they had tanks and his jgler was garbage (no peel for his adc). Anyway, I quit this game about a month ago but have been browsing problems with this game ever since I quit and its quite abundant. My opinion doesn't matter though because this game is at an all time high within the past year or so in player base.
tl;dr I quit league and have been witnessing the problems with this game ever since I quit via boards and videos.
Pika Fox3 votesThis literally isnt true. Riot has a history of nerfing far more than buffing. The only real major buffs were the major mid and pre season overhauls.
Sex Crazed Eve2 votesslow down, you're hysterical!
jk
GigglesO2 votesFor 9 years, RIOT only buffed and buffed everything, which lead us to the game right now, with ADCs so broken noone else really matters, and tanks so strong only the ADCs can beat them.
How about for the next few seasons, if one group of champions is too strong, we dont buff a counter to be even more broken, but we, stay with me here, nerf the group that is actually too strong right now!
I've been trying to say these things for years, but I got downvoted every season up until this one. Even last season I kept getting downvotes.
Beerstein2 votesThey really need to create a handful of "standard" champions that are right in the middle, (likely the ones played only by niche players in the current state of the game) and start pulling both ends towards those champions.
3TWarrior1 votesunfortunately, they did, and it's had a lot of backlash
lee sin (jungler) , vayne( marksman), thresh (support), and unfortunately I am uninformed for mid and top laners
thing about these champions, they are always viable but depend entirely upon the situations at present: item power, the power of opposing counters, skill of the player and the ability of the team to play around them
problem is, if anything is out of order, they then become a menace
FatedSaviour1 votesare you talking about finding the champion of each role that has acheived as close to perfect balance as they can and balance other champs around that, difficult and risky but must be better than what they are doing now, from previous votes on the boards sion is the most balanced tank, and velkoz midlaner, but for adc, who knows, and jungler for that matter, it would take a while, but take my upvote in the meanwhile
My Heartshaker2 votesWell that's not really true.
The assassin update left assassins in the gutter, so much so 2 of them had to be reverted.
I Main Swain1 votesidk where youve been for the last 9 years but for the majority of that theyve done a lot of nerfs/power shifting as well lol. i will say though lately theyve been rather buff happy
Automated Riven1 votesIt's actually a mix of constant buffing of damage and completely gutting defense.
Edit and it's not even buffs so much. It additions of defensive items that are also damage items letting adc's go full damage. And then gutting tanks.
GentlemanGhidora1 votesI think the most single most impactful revert that Riot can do is remove minion scaling strength proportional to how many turrets remain standing vs the opposing team.
You don’t even have to push waves that much, if at all, when you are ahead. Your team just has to keep forcing teamfights on the other side of the map and as long as you don’t stay too long and give kills, they do SO much work for you that it’s like you have an extra teammate.
If the enemy splits to save a turret/inhib, you’re pretty much guaranteed to win those extra fights if you group as 5. There’s basically no downside.
Hammermancer1 votesI mean we could just buff towers
and then like... buff siegers
but then we have to buff counter siegers
then we gotta buff like.. divers
but then we gotta buff zoners
which means we should buff assassins
If everyone keeps getting buffed or nerfed it winds up the same way
they just also need to keep the buffs up with like.. the game itself
minions/towers need buffs too bro
GripaAviara1 votesYeah ADCs are busted, not Ilaoi or Veigar.
