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Coinflipping gold games s9 as a plat/diamond player

Morgana Deus··22 votes·13,420 views

I was plat 3 s8 and my friend was diamond 4. Neither of us play hard carry champions so every game in gold elo is pretty much a coin flip for us. We dominate our respective roles and then watch 3 people either feed insanely hard or win their lanes. If its the former we lose and if its the latter we win.
That's pretty much every game.

Is there a reason that simply being good at the game isn't enough to climb? Not only do you have to be good at the game, but you have to play extremely stupid shit to climb. If we do something like Morgana/Master yi we have a 90% win rate. If we play non-broken, non-bull shit champions the games are just a coinflip.

Is anyone else experiencing this? Shouldn't the best players in each game be winning regardless of what role/champion you play? The fact two plat/diamond players can't carry every gold game is really sad and shows the horrible state of the game.

Oh. I've also duoed with a friend who is grandmaster. The games are just as coinflippy. It's so sad.

44 Comments

Yami No Ignis5 votes

as i said to the other guy, honestly i dont think rank matters anymore, since there is too much boosters/boosting going on, also dont forget the alt accounts+ people who are aka "lucky" or "unlucky" I've seen plenty of gold/silver players that are better than diamond-challenger from experience, so dont worry about elo/rank cause they are all the same at the end of the day unless you are challenger #1 Either win 1 sided or lose 1 sided, have had plenty of those games already.

Morgana Deus4 votes

Oh there's a ton of boosting too. Played versus a 30% win rate adc main who had a 100% win rate on riven across 20 games and had flawless mecahnics and animation cancels. Pretty obvious case of boosting.

WashyMoney2 votes

there is not a single gold/silver player that plays better than a challenger player. Unless that player has literally only played like 10 games of ranked in his life. And is challenger in his other account.

Lagor4 votes

Every game is a coinflip. there's no other way to put it. How can you say a game was yours to carry when your solo lanes/bot lane cant even go even most of the time?

Flavi Kang4 votes

I know a bard one trick in NA (she hit masters in season 7). She came here to korea, got gold 3 or 4 in placements. She hit D2 within one month without duoing with anyone for a single game. She also played every game on stream, no off-stream games. If you two, a plat-dia duo , both of pop off in gold and still lose, it is 100% your fault. You are making mistakes but instead of identifying/correcting them, you just call it a coinflip, go next and do the same shit again. Don't blame it on your teammates.

Morgana Deus2 votes

Sounds like she got lucky honestly. That's too few games to really say. And if she's a master's player she's already better than a plat and a diamond so I'm not sure what your point is. Should a person be masters/challenger to carry gold games? Seems idiotic to me.

Flavi Kang1 votes

lucky? lucky you say? ?XD

She peaked D1, and is still holding D2 right now. And you say she is lucky?????????????

Not only do you have to be good at the game, but you have to play extremely stupid shit to climb. If we do something like Morgana/Master yi we have a 90% win rate. If we play non-broken, non-bull shit champions the games are just a coinflip.

?????????????????

According to your argument, you can't carry gold games unless you play a hypercarry. She is a bard support one trick who solo climbed to D2, and unlike you, she didn't duo queue even a single game. Are you still going to make that same dumb excuse again?

And hey, you answered your own post yourself

And if she's a master's player she's already better than a plat and a diamond so I'm not sure what your point is

she's a master's player she's already better than a plat and a diamond

she's better than you two, a plat and a diamond.

Get better at the game then, instead of whining here on the boards. You just made a fool out of yourself. Congrats. Coinflip games btw.

Morgana Deus2 votes

So you think that the skill differential should be such that a masters player ought to be the baseline for carrying gold games. Okay. LOL

Flavi Kang1 votes

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Morgana Deus2 votes

Considering I'm a mathematician for the Department of Defense I'm going to assume I'm not stupid nor do I have a tiny brain.

Also, you still haven't addressed the point I made. Do you really not understand how debate works?

I'm saying that it shouldn't take a master's tier player to carry gold games. You're saying your friend who is a master's tier player carries gold games. How does that address the point I made? It's a gold game.

I'm smurfing in gold. I've been plat for two seasons now. Plat 3 last season. I have a 70% win rate in gold. This weekend I lost like 20 games because every game I'm smurfing as support and the enemy team has smurfs in top/mid/jungle.

This means that despite me being quite good at support, I'm the smurf on my team and I have the lowest income and agency in the game.

I'm being matched with weaker teammates because having a 70% win rate with over 100 games is absurdly high. It's fine.

Also calm down with the insults. Makes you look foolish.

Pepiljo1 votes

Wait. Not that i have anything to say about high elo plays, but you have to explain me how a support can carry a game. I did main support for a while (gold elo), but I never had a game which I won when my adc and midlaner had enough "skill" and/or gamesense to snowball. That said if my adc can't do the plays we need, I just start to play defensive and help my jungle or mid to get fed. I have never solo carried a game. And I have never seen someone do that. I am quite good as Tresh for my elo and do some good plays and one a year (or so) a pretty sick play. I usually can 1v2 a botlane if my adc is not straigt up inting. But I dont win the botlane I "only" go even. I have a friend who peaked grandmaster season 8 with tresh and even he said that his games depend on good team coordination. He told me to stop playing supp because it's a waste of time in gold. That's why I started to main jungle just to get plat.

Flavi Kang1 votes

Well, for starters, how about you don't die 11 times in an 18 min game?

I am quite good as Tresh for my elo and do some good plays and one a year (or so) a pretty sick play. I usually can 1v2 a botlane if my adc is not straigt up inting. But I dont win the botlane I "only" go even

No you don't go even. You straight up int and expect your team to carry you.

Super Tøp1 votes

He's right you know.

Saying it's a coinflip game when you smurf in below 2 league than yours means that you're just not good enough. And obviously you dont play janna in bronze when your smurf, but you dont have to play cheesy twitch/lulu or taric/yi to climb.... wtf man...

BestPudgeNA4 votes

Have you considered the fact you're actually just a 50% Silver 1 Mid laner who has been carried by how easy their main role/champ is?

Morgana Deus2 votes

Yep with my 70% win rate over about 100 games. Coin flipped my wins with no skill 100 times. Also did the same last season . And the season before. I'm definitely silver man. Just lottery tier lucky.

BestPudgeNA1 votes

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Yep with my 70% win rate over about 100 games. Coin flipped my wins with no skill 100 times. Also did the same last season . And the season before. I'm definitely silver man. Just lottery tier lucky.

You realize i can see you mid win rate right?

If you're a diamond tier player why can't you just play something like Zed or Ahri and smurf on Silver mid laners? You one trick an easy champ in an easy role. It doesn't mean you're as good as even Gold players in other roles. I can pull up your OP.GG and see you losing in CS to Silver players. Sorry the new rank system is a reality check that shows you how average you are at the game.

Morgana Deus2 votes

I could play other champions yes. Morgana doesn't average much CS late game because of the nature of her W: your teammates can take CS from you easily. You also didn't negate my point. I've been plat several seasons and played lots of games. Probably not lucky guy, but this was a cute troll attempt. I've also out CSed a friend who is grandmaster. Does that make him not grandmaster ?

My early game CS is very high and then I roam and play around my teammates because that's how my champion works.

I also shouldn't have to play Zed and crap I don't enjoy to carry low elo games. The game should be more about skill and less about faceroll ult bot champions.

By the way. I know you think Morgana is "easy", but properly landing Qs versus half of the roster is challenging even for good players. It has a low travel speed and nearly every champion has a dash. I'm sure you think you're amazing because you were s7 silver and s8 gold, but calm down a bit guy.

1 800 Mattress2 votes

Yes the game is trash. Nuff said.

Hexs Fortune2 votes

It's pretty awful in flex right now. The snowballing is a bit out of control, leading very frequently to one sided games.

the shy top1 votes

Dont duo. Duoing fucks your mmr.

Klyinnix3 votes

Well if I don't duo then the people that do duo have a higher chance of winning than I do because they're more likely to be working together and sharing information more effectively.

Why do you think Challenger/Master tier players complain about duoq. It should just be Soloq.

Morgana Deus1 votes

If the enemy team has a duo then so does your team. You just have to hope your's isnt the bad pair!

Ηuawei1 votes

Duo is not the way to climb.

It's much harder to climb as duo than solo.

Secondly, theres a lot of smurfs / boosters that skew the matchmaking results. So you're effectively dont even play in gold for the most part.

Thirdly, some champions can carry and influence the game better than others.

And lastly, i dont want to make you feel bad but mid plat is the same skill level as high gold and season 8 was the easiest season to climb plat+ if you were an assasin main.

Morgana Deus1 votes

I'm a Morgana one trick and always have been. Not even close to meta.

the shy top1 votes

Is that morg sup? Climbing as sup will always be hard.

Morgana Deus1 votes

I play both mid and support, but mid generally results in me having a tremendous early game and losing late. I'm pretty great at midlane, but it just doesn't seem to work without a team comp that has a competent late game carry.

TheSingularity1 votes

Only issue with morg is similar to picking a tank. You're extremely team reliant no matter where you play her.

Sure you can make very good picks with Q, but you simply don't have the damage to back it up later nor does morg have the same team fight capacity of say anivia, heim, annie or vel'koz. Her Q is really all she has later on, as I presume you get blown up before your R procs or b4 you can activate hourglass

Morgana Deus1 votes

Tbh I have no issues with Morg's R. I've OTP her since season 1 and I guess I'm just used to knowing what I need to do to get it off.

Heos002 votes

I've seen so much pretty average duos in diamond tbh, but they climbed because they don't feed their games, they removed 2 feeding players of their team and they play good, not to a level of a real diamond but enough to climb when they duo lel.

Morgana Deus3 votes

See that's my thing. I have games where i pop off sure. But I average about 2 deaths per game. I literally never feed. I do my job. I ward. I roam. I have high KP. So surely I should be able to climb right? And over a large number of games I do. But it seems this game rewards people who faceroll their keyboard and go 20/0 as master yi more than consistent players in other roles.

WarmAndCrispy1 votes

100%. I'm a mid & jungle main (zed and vi) and it's pretty much always a coinflip. Better team wins, not better solo carrier on a team.

Heos001 votes

If they don't get rid of the MMR system ranked will continue to be like this, getting forced to DuoQ with meta champions, for example, Duo Bot with Vayne and an enchanter. Discouraging for real SoloQ players, skill and knowledge doesn't matter at all when is involved so much RNG in the game, i play vayne and i get a support main playing lulu and i roflstomp the enemy team by just rightclick after 1 support item + botrk-guinsoo BUT i get a morgana support and i instantly lose because we have -1 in the game at min 20 (i have only loses with a morg supporting me this season i think).

They said that the matchmaking was going to be better and fair with the autofilled thing but this isn't the case, i keep getting fill people 4 divisions below of mine when in their main role they are the same rank as me, it doesn't makes any sense and obviously they get stomped in most of the cases LMAO.

Then riot gets surprised why is people playing ranked less and less.

5050BS1 votes

At least you get a Coin. Bronze Silver has to flip TWO coins to win

zPity1 votes

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At least you get a Coin. Bronze Silver has to flip TWO coins to win

lol and bet the green 0 on roulette

Tezza741 votes

Riot forcing 50/50 = carrot on a stick = longer you play = higher probability you spend more on skins

Karn Bishop1 votes

Games are so dependent on everyone doing decent that its noticeable, especially attitude had one game where our adc lucian just gave up and cried about not wanting to be in the match ect ect it went from a match we could have won by 20 to a match that took significantly longer to close out.

Z3Sleeper1 votes

See, as Plat+ players, you experienced damage creep but you experienced it as merely nothing more than an increase in burst windows without anyway drastic change in gameplay as far as winning strats go teamplay wise.

In Gold- though, these players are experiencing it the worst. Their low performers have far more potential to do horrid than higher level players do, resulting in that damage creep mentioned earlier massively effecting whoever is abusing them.

That's why typically you lose games to scaling champions in lower elos because half the time someone is letting them scale or boosting their scaling.

People don't believe me when I tell em, Gold and below is way harder to climb through than Plat+ imo, mostly cuz of the mental stress of trying to figure out why your teammates are practically inting.

Morgana Deus1 votes

I'm in high gold now with people who were plat in season 8 who still go 0/15 in lane. I'm sure there are good players somewhere on this game. Just not in gold/plat apparently.

Makarakarn1 votes

While I can't say too much about plat or diamond being a mid to high silver player myself, I will say that most ranked games in silver are wonky as hell. Sometimes, games are complete stomps. Sometimes, games seem like complete stomps then out of no where the stompee becomes unstopable. Sometimes the games go on for an hour because no one in silver knows what the hell is going on xD. But maybe there's more variety in silver BECAUSE we don't know how to play.

Emelie Cauchemar1 votes

I hit diamond just fine this season already with a "non op" champ. But oh well.

5050BS1 votes

Bronze/Silver is the same. Ill be stomp my lane but 4/5 games ALL of my team lost theirs so I lose and get -LP

Riots MMR system is total shit for SoloQ

It only works in LC$ because thats is how ELO Rank works.

  1. Teams dont change for a whole season
  2. Player play to win
  3. Players dont smurf

^ That is the only way ELO would work and why SoloQ will NEVER work

S9 has made me not care any more and so I play what ever where ever I want and dont care a bit if I win.

Illabethe1 votes

This is what I've been saying for ages.....

Climbing purely revolves around either luck, or a hard reset champion who can reset every time they mark or kill someone.

Literally every single Bronze - Master challenge is done with one.

The reliability of low skill cap champions who are not hard carries has gone down over time, while people who play high skill reset champions have gotten exponentially more reliable as their players have.

There's now two classes of League players:

Diana Draven Ezreal Graves Irelia Jax Katarina MasterYi MissFortune Pyke Quinn Zed Yasuo Vayne Twitch Players

And...... Everyone else.

Morgana Deus1 votes

I mean to be fair you can climb as anyone. I watched a guy climb to challenger as Morgana support. Something I can't do. But I'm not a challenger tier player lol.

I'm probably low diamond in skill level and I get stuck in high plat. It's just frustrating. I'll get there by the end of the season, just gotta RNG some good teammates I guess.

Of course I cant' even play my one trick right now so I'm basically not doing ranked at all.

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