Revert Morgana

Morgana Deus·Apr 9, 2019·20 votes·7,013 views

Can we please revert Morgana to the pre-rework stats and abilities?

She was only ever meant to have visual update. She was balanced for 10 years. YOU BUFFED A CHAMPION THAT HAD BEEN BALANCED FOR A DECADE.

Just take away the buffs. It's not that hard. Just revert the champion and move on.

Honestly, I've never seen anyone fuck things up as consistently as Riot games. Literally everything you touch turns to garbage. You actually cannot do anything right ever. Please, just revert the buffs and let us move on. You fucked up season 9. Let's not also fuck up Morgana.

38 Comments

MakarakarnApr 9, 20194 votes

No..Morganna wasn't even "reworked" much. She got some TINY little changes and the rework caused some play increase, which finally revealed how much Morganna needed a nerf. This nerf stuff isn't cause the rework, she was most certainly too strong before the rework, it was just not noticed before the almighty rework spotlight.

Morgana DeusApr 10, 20193 votes

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No..Morganna wasn't even "reworked" much. She got some TINY little changes and the rework caused some play increase, which finally revealed how much Morganna needed a nerf. This nerf stuff isn't cause the rework, she was most certainly too strong before the rework, it was just not noticed before the almighty rework spotlight.

She had a 50% win rate for about 10 years. That's not too strong . Sorry.

MakarakarnApr 10, 20193 votes

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She had a 50% win rate for about 10 years. That's not too strong . Sorry.

Yes, because a champion's win rate perfectly illustrates every single detail of a champion.

Morgana DeusApr 10, 20191 votes

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Yes, because a champion's win rate perfectly illustrates every single detail of a champion.

Over 10 years it's a pretty safe bet she's balanced. Especially when you consider she's not a high skill champion. You can't pull the "Zoe card" and claim she's oppressive at high level of play. A gold Morgana and a grandmaster Morgana are literally mechanically equal.

MakarakarnApr 10, 20191 votes

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Over 10 years it's a pretty safe bet she's balanced. Especially when you consider she's not a high skill champion. You can't pull the "Zoe card" and claim she's oppressive at high level of play. A gold Morgana and a grandmaster Morgana are literally mechanically equal.

Never once did I mention anything akin to your "Zoe card", and again, winrates don't point out anything about a champion specifically, it's just a statistic. If it were an all knowing, all representing number then half the arguments on LoL boards wouldn't happen.

Morgana DeusApr 10, 20191 votes

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Never once did I mention anything akin to your "Zoe card", and again, winrates don't point out anything about a champion specifically, it's just a statistic. If it were an all knowing, all representing number then half the arguments on LoL boards wouldn't happen.

Okay so you don't offer any evidence of your own. Honestly, people like you are so tiring. You just say she was too strong before and you offer no explanation of why. Nor do you do provide anything constructive. Why even post ?

MakarakarnApr 10, 20191 votes

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Okay so you don't offer any evidence of your own. Honestly, people like you are so tiring. You just say she was too strong before and you offer no explanation of why. Nor do you do provide anything constructive. Why even post ?

I could say the same thing to you friend.

Morgana DeusApr 10, 20191 votes

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I could say the same thing to you friend.

But I did provide evidence. I cited win rates I could argue other things if you want. I'm not even trying to be a dick here. I'm trying to get you to understand the difference.

MakarakarnApr 10, 20191 votes

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But I did provide evidence. I cited win rates I could argue other things if you want. I'm not even trying to be a dick here. I'm trying to get you to understand the difference.

And I replied with how the only thing you stated wasn't really substantial alone.

IllabetheApr 10, 20192 votes

Here's what her stats DO illustrate:

Average win rate of players with 200+ games on Morgana: 44% (10% lower than her median Win rate; You actually win less with her the more you play her)
After 20 minutes per game, Her win rate drops 1% per 3.4 minutes. In other words, she cannot contribute strongly to late game.
High win rates correlate with skill points placed in Q and E, not W.
She has one of the lowest per game average damages of mages.
She has the lowest auto attack range of a ranged champion in the game.

Chembaron YamadaApr 10, 20191 votes

She has the lowest auto attack range of a ranged champion in the game.

Morgana range: 450 Urgot range: 350

Therefore, your 5th statement is wrong.

Inari Fox OrrionApr 10, 20191 votes

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range: 450 range: 350

Therefore, your 5th statement is wrong.

We're calling him ranged, now, huh?

Chembaron YamadaApr 10, 20191 votes

? Who ever didn't call him ranged? That he is in fact a ranged champion is causing stuff like forbidding him to build items like Steraks in the first place.

I avoided to mention Rakan (who just has 300 AA range), because I can see this being an argument that he really plays differently. But Urgot definitely is ranged.

1 Inch and ProudApr 9, 20193 votes

her ults better now. way better. i prefer new morg.

Morgana DeusApr 9, 20192 votes

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her ults better now. way better. i prefer new morg.

Okay because it was a buff. What about when they nerf Q and E into the ground to compensate?

1 Inch and ProudApr 9, 20193 votes

shes meant to be a support. so thats fine. i shouldnt be out damaging my whole team anyways.

Morgana DeusApr 9, 20197 votes

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shes meant to be a support. so thats fine. i shouldnt be out damaging my whole team anyways.

Who said she's meant to be a support wtf. Get out of here kid.

OleandervineApr 9, 201915 votes

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shes meant to be a support. so thats fine. i shouldnt be out damaging my whole team anyways.

She actually isn't, she was meant to be a mid lane mage. That said, I think the nerfs are extremely heavy handed. Her Q ratio went from 90% to 75%, and her E's ratio is going from 70% to 40%. These are a bit too much, imo.

GelsominoKillerApr 9, 20191 votes

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She actually isn't, she was meant to be a mid lane mage. That said, I think the nerfs are extremely heavy handed. Her Q ratio went from 90% to 75%, and her E's ratio is going from 70% to 40%. These are a bit too much, imo.

My opinion might not be welcomed here, but improved ult usability is huge and requires compensation elsewhere. And I'd trade gladly part of Morg damage for the opportunity to consistently land ultimates.

I admit I haven't played Morg in years (except for some Aram games), so my opinion is not the most informed or reliable, but I clearly remember having quite some trouble landing her ultimate in a team fight.

Losing damage sucks for sure, but I don't think Morgana should be about damage, even in the midlane. God, everything is about damage nowadays, having a control/cc-lockdown mage is a rare sight.

That said, those nerfs looks unnecessarily severe and excessively perseverant for a balance team that insist that Riven, which is overpwored everywhere since months, has yet to pass a conveniently made up "Nerf border". They look really hell-bent on removing midlane Morgana before she even becomes half popular.

As I have explained above, I don't think that trading damage for better ultimate opportunities is necessarily a bad design choice, but I do despise the shield nerf, because its size is an unique strength of midlane Morgana that should be preserved.

SillaeApr 10, 20191 votes

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My opinion might not be welcomed here, but improved ult usability is huge and requires compensation elsewhere. And I'd trade gladly part of Morg damage for the opportunity to consistently land ultimates.

I admit I haven't played Morg in years (except for some Aram games), so my opinion is not the most informed or reliable, but I clearly remember having quite some trouble landing her ultimate in a team fight.

Losing damage sucks for sure, but I don't think Morgana should be about damage, even in the midlane. God, everything is about damage nowadays, having a control/cc-lockdown mage is a rare sight.

That said, those nerfs looks unnecessarily severe and excessively perseverant for a balance team that insist that Riven, which is overpwored everywhere since months, has yet to pass a conveniently made up "Nerf border". They look really hell-bent on removing midlane Morgana before she even becomes half popular.

As I have explained above, I don't think that trading damage for better ultimate opportunities is necessarily a bad design choice, but I do despise the shield nerf, because its size is an unique strength of midlane Morgana that should be preserved.

No one asked for the ult buff

IllabetheApr 10, 20195 votes

Dude. Her ult is accompanied by 20% Slow. What use is 5/35% Move speed toward enemies at a point in the game where when not Zhonya'd, she dies in 1 second? News Flash: Morgana dies fast post level 11. The Speed buff literally does nothing to help with that.

NevrankroatonApr 10, 20191 votes

I am just very confused about her E AP ratio nerf, it is insanely huge and I don't think nerfing this scaling should also come with lowering her Q damage? Like people QQ about her root duration, not the damage taken.

Chembaron YamadaApr 10, 20192 votes

That was ages ago.

Blitzcrank was initially intended as a top lane bruiser. But he shifted to the support role and is completely balanced around this position now. Same for Morgana, imo. She might have been intended as a mid lane mage when she was created, but she transitioned to support and will get balanced as a main support now.

MetalGearTeemoApr 10, 20191 votes

Blitzcrank shifted to bot lane because without busted sustain/mobility/range you can't compete in the lane, I'd still play blitz top if they'd just give him an auto attack animation that was not designed to hamstring the character.

Frosted TipsApr 9, 20192 votes

"Rework" and also she was being looked into to have far more drastic changes than they ended up doing.

ZabulusApr 10, 20192 votes

I mean I agree revert the ult and give back her normal stats she was fine where she was at. [sg-ahri-2]

PoskeApr 10, 20192 votes

She was undepowered for years and she still is

I mean think about it

Her passive was trash Her W was trash Her R was trash Her base stats were trash

Her Q AND E were like 10% better abilities then an average one

Passive 4/10 - 40 points Q 11/10 - 110 points W 4/10 - 40 points e 11/10 - 110 points r 5/10 - 50 points

Balanced champion has around 500 points

If I could dodge for free every champion select I have morgana in my team I WOULD AND I AM A KATARINA MAIN that says alot

AHarmlessTacoApr 9, 20191 votes

I always thought Morg was in a good spot, aside from her Q hitbox being too big. Her ultimate could always be made more reliable with Rylais, which synergized with her W anyways.

PhantomSpirit101Apr 10, 20193 votes

Her ult slow and Rylais slow are literally the same value. Since slow don't stack, Rylai is kinda a waste.

AHarmlessTacoApr 10, 20191 votes

Herm. Welp.

Serika ZeroApr 10, 20191 votes

USAstarApr 10, 20191 votes

This crap game allows 2 Yasuo every fucking match but can't allow Morgana showing up in mid f this shit f rito GIVE MY FIORA BACK

KyraSunApr 10, 20191 votes

I dunno, i like her

14daysuspensionkApr 10, 20191 votes

I thought she got nerfs? (in midlane).

CosnirakApr 10, 20191 votes

I'd prefer they revert her entirely. Butt wings are stupid and whiny emo teenagers who pirouette constantly are not fun to hear or watch. And the writing on her new VO... Possibly the worst VO lines of any character in League period, the very epitome of telling instead of showing.