So when Graves crits, he shoots 10 shots. I believe each applies on hits, though I'm not sure. If they do, will they all proc 
and Defensive ball curl? If so, graves taking 10x damage from that would probably instantly explode. Can anyone on PBE test this and throw the answer back? I'm really curious.
Fusarix5 votesIf each shot applied on hit, and he had life steal, I dont think he would kill himself. Also I dont think they do apply on hit. That would make items like 
really over powered.
Desiderium1 votesIf each shot applied on hit, and he had life steal, I dont think he would kill himself. Also I dont think they do apply on hit. That would make items like
It wouldn't make Bork OP on him as much as it would give him even more of an incentive to be extremely up close (and thus, in a huge amount of danger as an adc)
Sightless662 votesGraves has to be extremely up close to function one way or another. He's not getting away from that with his new kit.
xFrostKnightx5 votes1 shot (4 bullets) If you get hit by 1, it proc's on-hit. Every bullet after the first deals less damage and will not proc on-hit. If 4 seperate champions each get hit by one bullet each, they all take on-hit and the full damage of 1 bullet.
~~I am unsure if or not lifesteal will apply to bullets after the first. Though if I had to guess, I would say lifesteal applied for each bullet. ~~ Lifesteal applies for each bullet even if you are hit by more than one.
Azteryz1 votesso against thornmail would only the first hit be deflected?
Mathbalnase1 votesIt is my understanding that Thornmail will return damage based on the total combined damge dealt by all the bullets that hit, but only apply the bonus armor scaling once, no matter how many bullets hit.
kile1471 votesThis should be the case, as it works as a counter on-hit.
Faded Lich3 votesalso for the on-hit effects question, I refer you to this from his feedback thread, posted up in the OP by mr T.
Zyorhist3 voteshere is the thing from the pbe to answer questions.
Graves’ attack is a cone of 4 bullets whose AD ratio scales up by 33% over game time. The first bullet does 0.75-1.1 tAD (by level); extra bullets deal 33% of that. Each bullet can apply On Hit Effects, but only once per target. Graves’ crits fire more bullets (8 normally, 10 with Infinity Edge), empowering him at close range to burst a target and long range to deal AoE damage.
so he only procs the effects once per target
Unlucky Number72 votesi have no idea all i know is that if all individual shot hit one target it only triggers one on hit effect.
Kaeblen1 votesgood to know
TheLastShadow452 votesEach shot that hits after one will only do 25% of the damage of the first.
Also he only shoots 10 if he has 
. Otherwise it's 8.
Faded Lich2 votesEach shot that hits after one will only do 25% of the damage of the first.
Also he only shoots 10 if he has
you're incorrect. That number goes up per level.
TheLastShadow453 votesI've played it. I might be wrong on the damage but not the shots.
JustMyBassCannon4 votesThe damage numbers go up with level, and the bullet number goes up with Infinity Edge.
Graves' damage is 75% +25% per bullet at level 1, and 110% +36.6% per bullet at level 18. He fires 8 bullets on regular crits, and 10 bullets on IE crits.
There. You're both right in a way.
Auz the Ripper1 votesI was not aware that the damage of each bullet went up with level
This frightens me
JustMyBassCannon1 votesIt's a little more terrifying when you realize that Graves reaches above normal Crit damage levels with just his regular attacks. At level 1, it's up to 150% AD, ramping up to 220% at level 18.
Thankfully, he can only chain 3 shots in a row before needing to reload, but he's insanely bursty now.
Faded Lich4 votesI've played it. I might be wrong on the damage but not the shots.
Lack of clarity on my end, I was only speaking of the damage. You were right on the shots of course.
Daedalus8712 votesLevel 18 Graves with IE will do 1.1 + 1.1*.33*9 = 4.4 AD on crits. Let's figure he has 350 AD, that means he does 1540 Damage.
Then Rammus with Thornmail and DBC, for a total of let's say 500 Armor. Then Defensive Ball Curl will do 65 + 50 = 115 MD, while thornmail will return 0.15*1540 + 99 = 325 (remember, regardless of how many pellets hit the target, they only apply on-hit effects to the target once), thus Graves will take 471 damage. So it's highly unlikely that he will one shot himself.
Edit: Thornmail is bonus armor, not total.
JustMyBassCannon3 votesHypothetically, if each individual bullet proc'd the reflect damage, DBC would deal 1150 damage, and Thornmail would deal ~1220 damage, resulting in Graves self-bursting for almost 2400 magic damage.
So let's be glad that it only procs on-hit effects once.
Daedalus8711 votesThanks.
Tentacle Love2 votes
"Doc, how bad is it... give it to me straight."
"You shot a goddamned reflective wall, you're gonna die."
"Well, shit."
Penns1 votesIn theory, if Rammus has 350 armor with W on, it does 90 dmg. Thornmail does ~70 + 15% of the dmg taken, which shouldnt be that high if every bullet counts on its own. So x10 that is 1600 + 150% of the dmg taken? I think Graves only shoots 8 bullets when he crits tho, so that is 1280 + 120%. That would be fun to see lol but doubt it works.
SpinnerMask2 votesIn theory, if Rammus has 350 armor with W on, it does 90 dmg. Thornmail does ~70 + 15% of the dmg taken, which shouldnt be that high if every bullet counts on its own. So x10 that is 1600 + 150% of the dmg taken? I think Graves only shoots 8 bullets when he crits tho, so that is 1280 + 120%. That would be fun to see lol but doubt it works.
doesn't thornmail count reflect damage before armor?
360D3GR3SS1 votesHe actually shoots 8 i think.
Reaper Review2 votesHe actually shoots 8 i think.
He shoots 4 normally. A critical strike doubles the effectiveness of the attack like it does on normal attackers, thus 8 pellets.
IE's effect of "add a further 50% effectiveness to crits" is then applied to the pellet count, for 10 pellets on an IE crit.
...Now what I want to know is how Crit Damage runes interact with him.
JustMyBassCannon1 votes10 with Infinity Edge, they stated.
Slamurai Jack1 votesThey don't all apply on hit. That would be completely broken.
Sire Hippington1 votesoly applys on-hit on the first bullet per target. Now, if you would have a one for all with 5 rammus and are positioned in a way that he hits all 5 with atleast 1 bullet, it might actually work. Btw, thats a valid tactic vs a fed twitch, get a thorn on every champ in the team and line up for his ult, he will die probably after the 3ed shot...
Meep Man1 votesAlthough I have yet to test it, I doubt this is how it works since Graves AAs only apply on-hit affects a max of once per unit per basic attack, so only one. If anything, Graves is actually stronger against Rammus than other ADCs.
kJs1 votesI don't think it does. If on-hit effects only apply once (one pellet applies it only) then Thornmail and Defensive Curl should work the same way, only proc on one pellet.
Kitten of Evil1 votesSo when Graves crits, he shoots 10 shots.
Then technically wouldn't he 10-shot himself? :D
ChaosThief1 votesIn my experience, it only applies one shot to the mix.
OK...
Mike Hunts Toxic1 votesso how does +
work out now ?
ChewbaccasRear1 votesNow I kind of want this to actually be a thing, but I'm sure they made it so it can't happen (would of been hilarious though)
